[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I am not saying I agree that Aaron is as extreme as the term 'abusive husband' would suggest, but he IS an emotional bully. It's a huge part of how he controls the moods of entire groups, let alone his 'isolated' partner.

Some of the behaviours he demonstrates, the passive aggressive controlling etc, could be technically construed as abusive, though I personally wouldn't go that far.

The abusive husband isn't normally 6'7" dressed in a string vest and holding a can of Red Stripe, and sometimes the most damaging abuse isn't actually physical. In fact, the abusive 'husband' is very often a woman. The stereotypes in this area don't go very far tbh.

Vesuvius, could you read my post (Post number 63 on this page) Aaron is not an emotional bully, if you want an example of an emotional bully then just watch Jemma Palmer in action. And to repeat myself, I know what I am talking about.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Vesuvius, could you read my post (Post number 63 on this page) Aaron is not an emotional bully, if you want an example of an emotional bully then just watch Jemma Palmer in action. And to repeat myself, I know what I am talking about.

You assume others don't?

Whatever Jem is or isn't does not change what Aaron is, and there are several different forms of emotional bullying and all may vary in severity.

Two emotional bullies may not look anything like each other.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Vesuvius, could you read my post (Post number 63 on this page) Aaron is not an emotional bully, if you want an example of an emotional bully then just watch Jemma Palmer in action. And to repeat myself, I know what I am talking about.

Well said, Jemma messed with Fayes emotions more in the car crash few weeks she was in the house than the entire time Aaron has been there. Like you say Aaron is probably not aware of Fayes issues, and sometimes she totally overeacts to the things he does. This baffles him, which then sends him off in a mood, when Faye realises she has overeacted she then goes after him to 'make up' and the whole charade starts again.

If anyone should be blamed for Fayes mental state its her frankly horrible sister (and possibly mother) who spent her whole time putting Faye down, trying to make her feel ashamed, throwing snidy comments around and generally trying to make Faye feel small and steal her thunder. Jem couldnt bear it that Faye got on TV and had to ruin it for her... one of the vilest contestents this year imo, closely followed by Rebeckah and Tom

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Jemma messed with Fayes emotions more in the car crash few weeks she was in the house than the entire time Aaron has been there.

If anyone should be blamed for Fayes mental state its her frankly horrible sister (and possibly mother) who spent her whole time putting Faye down, trying to make her feel ashamed, throwing snidy comments around and generally trying to make Faye feel small and steal her thunder. Jem couldnt bear it that Faye got on TV and had to ruin it for her... one of the vilest contestents this year imo, closely followed by Rebeckah and Tom

Such short memories...

Faye has been an emotional wreck since day 1 of this series. It didn't start with Jem.

But still, whatever Faye is that doesn't change what Aaron is. She is obviously emotionally immature, insecure, and volatile and Aaron as a mature man should have seen that and not chosen her as his tactical fauxmance, ethically speaking.

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Such short memories...

Faye has been an emotional wreck since day 1 of this series. It didn't start with Jem.

But still, whatever Faye is that doesn't change what Aaron is. She is obviously emotionally immature, insecure, and volatile and Aaron as a mature man should have seen that and not chosen her as his tactical fauxmance, ethically speaking.

You just shot your entire argument to pieces. Well done

You state Faye was a wreck from the start, therefore how on earth can it be down to Aaron. It DID start with Jem, it has been the pattern all Faye's life, the mother and sister emotionally destroyed the girl. Yes, I do agree with you partly however, that Faye is insecure and volatile, this is for the above reasons, yes, Jemma and Ma Palmer have a lot to answer for. Also, I don't believe the romance is fake, unfortunately though it won't be allowed to last once they get out, by guess who. Yep, the two witches again.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

You just shot your entire argument to pieces. Well done

You state Faye was a wreck from the start, therefore how on earth can it be down to Aaron. Yes, I do agree with you partly however, that Faye is insecure and volatile...

Let me explain...

Faye HAS been an emotional wreck since day 1, thats true.

Aaron, as an emotional bully, recognised that and chose to take advantage of it, exasperating her mental state to feed into his need for an 'interesting' realtionship in the house. As a grown man, and an intelligent one at that who everyone tells me is a 'master game player', I can only assume it was intentional.

But then I said all this when I said, "But still, whatever Faye is that doesn't change what Aaron is. She is obviously emotionally immature, insecure, and volatile and Aaron as a mature man should have seen that and not chosen her as his tactical fauxmance, ethically speaking"

I have never said 'Faye was perfect before she met Aaron'. Aaron hasn't made Faye what she is, but he sure as hell is taking advantage of it.



Game playing aside, passive aggressive bully types are commonly drawn to Faye's personality type, simply because they deliver what they are themselves looking for... Reaction, chaos, and, ultimately, control.

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Let me explain...

Faye HAS been an emotional wreck since day 1, thats true.

Aaron, as an emotional bully, recognised that and chose to take advantage of it, exasperating her mental state to feed into his need for an 'interesting' realtionship in the house. As a grown man, and an intelligent one at that who everyone tells me is a 'master game player', I can only assume it was intentional.

But then I said all this when I said,"But still, whatever Faye is that doesn't change what Aaron is. She is obviously emotionally immature, insecure, and volatile and Aaron as a mature man should have seen that and not chosen her as his tactical fauxmance, ethically speaking"

I have never said 'Faye was perfect before she met Aaron'. Aaron hasn't made Faye what she is, but he sure as hell is taking advantage of it.



Game playing aside, passive aggressive bully types are commonly drawn to Faye's personality type, simply because they deliver what they are themselves looking for... Reaction, chaos, and, ultimately, control.

You're having a laugh aren't you???

Aaron didn't even speak to Faye in the first week. She then won a romantic dinner for two and when she found out that Jay had his sights set on Louise she opted to take Aaron.

After the the dinner nothing much happened except her flirting with Aaron whenever the booze was flowing or she felt 'in the mood'.

Aaron then had a very brief snog with Maisy and suddenly she's was all heart broken and all this "how could he do this when he knows I have feelings for him" crap spurted out of her mouth.

She's lead him up the garden path since then - wanting him one minute, telling him they should be friends the next, flirting with other male HMs in front of him, telling him never to speak to her again, believing her sister and Jay and Anton before she believed Aaron, bitching behind his back, etc etc etc.

[kisywisy]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

You just shot your entire argument to pieces. Well done

You state Faye was a wreck from the start, therefore how on earth can it be down to Aaron. It DID start with Jem, it has been the pattern all Faye's life, the mother and sister emotionally destroyed the girl. Yes, I do agree with you partly however, that Faye is insecure and volatile, this is for the above reasons, yes, Jemma and Ma Palmer have a lot to answer for. Also, I don't believe the romance is fake, unfortunately though it won't be allowed to last once they get out, by guess who. Yep, the two witches again.

you have absolutely NO proof of this. you are moaning about aaron being compared to an abusive husband, yet you have no problem in basically saying faye's mum and sister were emotionally abusive to her!!!

total hypocrite

you also don't know what aaron is like as a husband or long term partner.

you may have gone through some terrible times, but it doesn't make you the expert. i've gone through some horrible things in my life, but i know each and every person goes through it differently

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by kisywisy

you have absolutely NO proof of this. you are moaning about aaron being compared to an abusive husband, yet you have no problem in basically saying faye's mum and sister were emotionally abusive to her!!!

total hypocrite

you also don't know what aaron is like as a husband or long term partner.

you may have gone through some terrible times, but it doesn't make you the expert. i've gone through some horrible things in my life, but i know each and every person goes through it differently

A lot of us on here are not happy that Aaron has been portrayed in this light, there is no evidence to support this is what I am saying. There is very clear evidence of how Jemma treats Faye however, if you have been watching all the episodes. I don't claim to be an expert, far from it, but I have been through enough that I recognise the signs, emotional abuse does follow a pattern. I object to you calling me a hypocrite for stating my opinions, sorry you don't like them, but I am allowed to voice them just as much as the next person. I will rephrase what I said however, to hopefully keep the peace please. In my opinion Aaron is not an emotional bully, but I feel that Jemma is. Is that better for you?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

You just shot your entire argument to pieces. Well done

You state Faye was a wreck from the start, therefore how on earth can it be down to Aaron. It DID start with Jem, it has been the pattern all Faye's life, the mother and sister emotionally destroyed the girl. Yes, I do agree with you partly however, that Faye is insecure and volatile, this is for the above reasons, yes, Jemma and Ma Palmer have a lot to answer for. Also, I don't believe the romance is fake, unfortunately though it won't be allowed to last once they get out, by guess who. Yep, the two witches again.

she's been in tears at least once a week since day 2..I have the video evidence on my virgin tv hard drive.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by parmnion

she's been in tears at least once a week since day 2..I have the video evidence on my virgin tv hard drive.

Indeed she has.

This false reality of it all starting with Jem going in is confusing

[flamingGalah!]

Completely out of order to call Aaron a 'bully', emotionally or otherwise...

[Bill Carson]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Completely out of order to call Aaron a 'bully', emotionally or otherwise...

Why?...Because you say so? Don't attempt to dictate to anyone what they can or cannot think.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Bill Carson

Why?...Because you say so? Don't attempt to dictate to anyone what they can or cannot think.

Because it's utter bullsh*t that's why!

I by your own reasoning am also perfectly entitled to think it is out of order & express my opinion as such

So thank's for your input, but try not to be so hypocritical next time

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Let me explain...

Faye HAS been an emotional wreck since day 1, thats true.

Aaron, as an emotional bully, recognised that and chose to take advantage of it, exasperating her mental state to feed into his need for an 'interesting' realtionship in the house. As a grown man, and an intelligent one at that who everyone tells me is a 'master game player', I can only assume it was intentional.

But then I said all this when I said, "But still, whatever Faye is that doesn't change what Aaron is. She is obviously emotionally immature, insecure, and volatile and Aaron as a mature man should have seen that and not chosen her as his tactical fauxmance, ethically speaking"

I have never said 'Faye was perfect before she met Aaron'. Aaron hasn't made Faye what she is, but he sure as hell is taking advantage of it.



Game playing aside, passive aggressive bully types are commonly drawn to Faye's personality type, simply because they deliver what they are themselves looking for... Reaction, chaos, and, ultimately, control.

And you dont see how she has played him (and you apparently) I agree they are both in this for their own reasons, some completely selfish. Buts its not as cut and dried as him 'choosing' her and her just being used. They are both using each other, Indeed Id argue she has brought him down far more than he has done to her. Her mental state has never changed much, she used to bang on about 'looking like a dickhead' before they were even together, where as he was quite happy and content before he hooked up with her.

She has betrayed him, lied to him and mocked him far more than he has ever done to her. Indeed I am yet to hear any proper evidence of how he has 'messed with her head' this phrase people keep bandying around with no proof. The worst thing he does to her is when he goes silent on her, BUT this isnt always directed at her. Sometimes it is, but sometimes he just likes his own space, its her needyness that interprets this as him being moody with her cause in her world everything revolves around her.

She is not the innocent 19 year old she would have us believe, she is a 22 year old woman who has had a relationship with a 42 year old before. Aaron has been very accomodating of her weird behaviour, much more so than the 42 year old probably ever was. Hes far from perfect but shes even further from perfect. I suggest she has had a far more dramatic and negative affect on him and his time in the house, than he has had on her.

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Completely out of order to call Aaron a 'bully', emotionally or otherwise...

Its a phrase that gets used WAY to much in relation to BB since the whole Shilpa Shetty incident.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Completely out of order to call Aaron a 'bully', emotionally or otherwise...

Totally agree !!