[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know how else people can get the attention of the government other than strike. I'm not a leftie, but I find myself agreeing with the strike. People say that private sector workers are worse off than public sector workers with their big pensions, like the public sector is some well-off private club than only a few people can join. Anyone can apply for a job in the public sector, if it was THAT good, more people would apply. People's pensions that they've paid into, that they've been promised and that they've been expecting are going to change because the government needs to save money. There are other, more lucrative ways to get money into the coffers of the country: tax the rich. If you earn more, you should pay more. The government's argument is that it will discourage rich people from investing here. I say that's rubbish. They don't want to tax the super-rich because they're the people that fund the policital parties. Raise the upper tax limit, cut foreign aid, stop propping up the doomed Euro, drag the troops out of Afghanistan and get our tax money back from the fat bankers we've been subsidising for so long... and leave people's pensions alone.

Absolutely, a fair and totally reasonable post,I have nothing to add to it, I just agree with every word you say. Very well said Livia.

[arista]

This Strike is Political
and It Stinks of corruption

[Sticks]

Why as a worker in the public sector I do not feel like supporting this

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Why as a worker in the public sector I do not feel like supporting this

Maybe you lack Choice.

[Sticks]

Well because of this strike day I am having to endure about three extra days of dental pain

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Well because of this strike day I am having to endure about three extra days of dental pain

thats not good.


Hope its fixed soon.

[Kerry]

No school here either

[Kerry]

Moved to Serious Debates

[Jackie]

My daughters off to we are going to spend the day wrapping up presents lol and also shes off with the sickness bug today as well.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by angus58

Why do public sector workers think they're a special case? They want to live in the real world with the rest of us and realise how well off they really are compared to the private sector. The damn unions are an anachronism in this day and age. Their unreasonable and selfish demands are one of the reasons this country is in the mess it's in today.

There will 1% cap on public sector pay rises for two years after the end of current freeze next year.

The Office for Budget Responsibility has massively increased its estimate of the public sector jobs expected to go. Previously, the figure was put at around 400,000 - it's now 710,000.

So how many private sector bankers, entrepreneurs, doctors and MPs are in the same position, i.e. a pay freeze if they're lucky, the sack if they're not ?

Pay for the directors of the UK's top businesses rose 50% over the past year, a pay research company has said.

Incomes Data Services (IDS) said this took the average pay for a director of a FTSE 100 company to just short of Ł2.7m.

The rise, covering salary, benefits and bonuses, was higher than that recorded for the main person running the company, the chief executive.

Their pay rose by 43% over the year, according to the study.

[Omah]

C4 have just said the public sector workers will have taken AT LEAST a 16% pay cut in the lifetime of the Tory government.

I have no doubt that, over the same period, bankers and directors bonuses will have RISEN by 200% .....

[Sticks]

Well apparently the financial crises was not caused by those innocent bankers but by the over bloated fat cat public sector, which the Tories will show us the way in wiping out by privatising and outsourcing their functions overseas

[MTVN]

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-6269308.html

To judge from the opinion polls, the majority of the public as a whole do not support the strike; and indeed, although 75 per cent of those Unite members who voted in the official ballot chose to back the day of action, only 31 per cent of the membership actually turned out – which means that just 23 per cent of Mr McCluskey's members voted for strike action. That level of inertia does not suggest a level of passion to match McCluskey's fiery rhetoric against what he calls "Tory class warriors".

In fact, if there is a class divide within the employment market, the underdogs are definitely not the public sector. As the most recent official figures from the Office of National Statistics show, the median gross weekly pay in the private sector was Ł465, compared with Ł539 in the public sector; when employer pension contributions are added in, then the median private sector figure is Ł479, way below the public sector median of Ł615. That growing gulf is a reflection of the fact that defined benefit pension plans are all but extinct in the private sector, but still available across the board in the public sector.

It is true that the public sector traditionally expected better pensions, as a quid pro quo for the fact that pay rates were lower than jobs of equivalent responsibility in the private sector. But now (because of Gordon Brown) the gap in basic pay is the other way around. So the fact that the state's employees get an effective bonus of about 30 per cent of their salaries in the form of employer pension contributions (paid for by all taxpayers, including those with no employer pension provision whatever) is objectionable on precisely the grounds that Mr McCluskey seeks to defend his members' privileges: inequity and unfairness.

[Omah]

Len McCluskey draws a different contrast: he argues that his strikers are "victims of the elite policy of taking money from the taxpayer to give it to the bankers".

Yeah, the only winners of Tory fiscal policy are the already-rich - billions of pounds worth of business is coming their way and and no Conservative government is going to begrudge them their skim off the top .....

[arista]

Punks have got on a Hampton House Roof in Haymarket
a building of a Private Company.
They used Flares to distract Police.
Criminals Entered that Building

The Punks being Kicked Out rushed to hide there faces
as from camera films got in.

200 approx amount


UK Uncut are the Punks on there

from there site
http://www.ukuncut.org.uk/resources


Police are now blocking others from getting near that area.


http://news.sky.com/home




Live on
SkyNewsHD
PressTV
Radio 5
LBC Radio.

[Brother Leon]

To think it has been more than a year since I was marching in Central for the student protests.


Crazy.

[arista]

A Punk Arrested



A Punk asking for trouble

[MTVN]

The title's a bit misleading, there was hardly a riot

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The title's a bit misleading, there was hardly a riot

It was a Riot for a time
Shown on ITV1 London News
SkyNewsHD
BBC London News


200 entered the building
thats a Riot

[MTVN]

Well it wasn't a very good one

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well it wasn't a very good one

Thats due to 5,000 Police on Duty.
Making it a brief Riot.

[arista]

Thursdays Star

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

It was a Riot for a time
Shown on ITV1 London News
SkyNewsHD
BBC London News


200 entered the building
thats a Riot

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well it wasn't a very good one