[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

He was asked by the conductor to remove himself. Several times.

The gobsh*te was rude and verbally abusive.

If you listen to the vid, there are others who are expressing their displeasure and backing up the conductor.

Moral of the story is: If you want to fare dodge and get caught - don't be dickhead about it.....otherwise you'll find the ones who DO PAY will make sure you get turfed out.

He could have left of his own volition. He chose not to. Therefore he was removed - by force as he was unwilling to leave through choice.

Not a thing wrong here.

This country is too soft with this type of yob - that's the problem.

Just because he may have spouted some verbal abuse (which if you ask me is stretching that term a bit far, he swore a few times), that doesn't mean someone else can use physical abuse to remove him (again that'd be stretching that term too, physical force more like). The two don't go together and since the guy was never once violent, there is no excuse for anyone else to be violent (of the sort) towards him, other than any relevant authorities that have that power.

He wasn't just escorted out either, the guy dragged and hurled him out, which is totally unnecessary and there's no excuse for it.

An annoyance or not, you don't take things into your own hands - it is none of your business.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Just because he may have spouted some verbal abuse (which if you ask me is stretching that term a bit far, he swore a few times), that doesn't mean someone else can use physical abuse to remove him (again that'd be stretching that term too, physical force more like). The two don't go together and since the guy was never once violent, there is no excuse for anyone else to be violent (of the sort) towards him, other than any relevant authorities that have that power.

He wasn't just escorted out either, the guy dragged and hurled him out, which is totally unnecessary and there's no excuse for it.

An annoyance or not, you don't take things into your own hands - it is none of your business.

Actually Jack, it is MY business: even though I wasn't even on the train. Monies from train fares are liable for taxation, which hits the public purse. If those monies are depleted due to arseholes like this guy: the defecit has to be made up from some other sector. In effect: we ALL pay it.

How much of your hard earned wages go into the pubic purse......

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Actually Jack, it is MY business: even though I wasn't even on the train. Monies from train fares are liable for taxation, which hits the public purse. If those monies are depleted due to arseholes like this guy: the defecit has to be made up from some other sector. In effect: we ALL pay it.

How much of your hard earned wages go into the pubic purse......

The words 'straw' and 'clutching' come to mind, seems like a pretty indirect way of saying it is your business to me.

Once again, I don't agree with fare dodging, but the man who seems to think he can take matters into his own hands is also in the wrong. Because no, it isn't any of his business...it is the business of the relevant authorities that would deal with the case properly. Had that have been the case, chances are the 19 year old would have had to have paid up anyway, all that without having been unnecessarily hauled off a train by a fellow customer in the meantime.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The words 'straw' and 'clutching' come to mind, seems like a pretty indirect way of saying it is your business to me.

Once again, I don't agree with fare dodging, but the man who seems to think he can take matters into his own hands is also in the wrong. Because no, it isn't any of his business...it is the business of the relevant authorities that would deal with the case properly. Had that have been the case, chances are the 19 year old would have had to have paid up anyway, all that without having been unnecessarily hauled off a train by a fellow customer in the meantime.

No indirect insult to you at all.

I'm sure when you've worked nearly 30 years, paying through the nose in taxes - you'll have a better understanding of why people were so pissed off at this guy.

That's not an insult Jack, that's pretty much fact.

[Ramsay]

The dude was obviously drunk if he was out celebrating so it was just a big misunderstanding
Can we all just leave it at that?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Karl

The dude was obviously drunk if he was out celebrating so it was just a big misunderstanding
Can we all just leave it at that?

Great. I'm going to go out tonight, get plastered then sneak my way into the local Mercedes garage, get myself a comfy seat in the latest convertible model: and when I'm asked to remove myself - I'll kick up hell, curse the person asking me to leave.......... and then expect everyone to feel sorry for me.