[Jack_]

Youtube video

This video is doing the rounds at the minute...just wondering what everyone's opinions on it is?

[Smithy]

he was a bit rough, but if he hadn't paid then he shouldn't have been on the train, seems pretty simple to me

[Pyramid*]

For all the people who moan about the price of public transport - it's arseholes like this to blame.

Loads of people get away with fare dodging - this guy got caught - he should have had the sense to take it on the chin and left when he was asked to.

The Scots don't put up with this pish - and it was nice to see a more younger guy helping out the older conductor - who was only doing his job but had a young yob thinking he was some sort of hard man, cursing away at the old guy. He showed him no respect - so the other passenger gave the gobsh*te as dose of his own 'no respect' medicine.

Good on the big guy.

[Ramsay]

I dont think yer man should of interfered
Defo too rough .didnt even let him pick up his things from the train
It was dark who knows what the kid is going through he mightnt of been able to afford the train who knows
and the fact the people are clapping after witnessing the bigger fella bully the smaller dude off is retarded

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Karl

I dont think yer man should of interfered
Defo too rough .didnt even let him pick up his things from the train
It was dark who knows what the kid is going through he mightnt of been able to afford the train who knows

Why did he go on the train then if he cant afford it? theres no excuses imo.

[Roy Mars III]

What a prick. He basically mauled the kid off the bus.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Why did he go on the train then if he cant afford it?

exactly, I can't afford a Lamborghini, but that doesn't mean I take one from the sales room

[Roy Mars III]

He never should have gotten on, but he shouldn't have been thrown off like that. And the guy shouldn't have gotten applause for doing it.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Why did he go on the train then if he cant afford it? theres no excuses imo.

Maybe it was his only way home
We dont know him none of us do
We're all so quick to judge him based on a 2 min clip
We have no idea what he could be going through..for all we know maybe it was a huge misunderstanding , maybe he did have a right ticket but the old guy was getting it wrong..anyway they should of just let the police handle it not some big guy who thinks hes tough

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus Christo

he was a bit rough, but if he hadn't paid then he shouldn't have been on the train, seems pretty simple to me

Yes it was on Ch4News

The Punk would not move as the Rail Man was real old.


So Well Done to the Public Big Bloke
who chucked the Stinking Punk Off the Train.


Justice.

[Jack_]

Still no excuse for this so-called 'big man' to use physical force against him though. Yeah, I'm not denying the 19 year old was clearly in the wrong, but if he needed to be removed then it should have been up to the relevant authorities to do that, not some passenger on a train who thinks he can take matters into his own hands in to be honest, what looks like an attempt to show off to everybody else on the train.

At the end of the day the 19 year old didn't exert any physical force or violence himself and so the 'big man' had no right to either...and the use of bad language doesn't automatically mean you can do that either, they're not on the same level at all. Oh, and the applause was totally pathetic.

Both are in the wrong here if you ask me.

[Mystic Mock]

The applause was the right thing to do as these bastards need to learn there place,and the way some people are going on you would think that the 19 year old was beaten black and blue.

[Doogle]

To be honest I strongly disagree with dodging the fares. There's no reason to do it. Sure he may not have had money and maybe if I was desperate to get home or something I may have acted the same way he did and boarded the train anyway. Even so though, we all have to pay and if someone does it they should be punished. If I did it I'd feel forever guilty about it. I know so many people don't though. I'm not sure what to think of the applause but I do think he had it coming.

My friend has dodged fares before and it's just as bad as any type of theft, and I was disgusted with him. It's bad because so many people don't get caught.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Karl

I dont think yer man should of interfered
Defo too rough .didnt even let him pick up his things from the train
It was dark who knows what the kid is going through he mightnt of been able to afford the train who knows
and the fact the people are clapping after witnessing the bigger fella bully the smaller dude off is retarded

Originally Posted by Roy Claus III

He never should have gotten on, but he shouldn't have been thrown off like that. And the guy shouldn't have gotten applause for doing it.

Originally Posted by Jack_

Still no excuse for this so-called 'big man' to use physical force against him though. Yeah, I'm not denying the 19 year old was clearly in the wrong, but if he needed to be removed then it should have been up to the relevant authorities to do that, not some passenger on a train who thinks he can take matters into his own hands in to be honest, what looks like an attempt to show off to everybody else on the train.

At the end of the day the 19 year old didn't exert any physical force or violence himself and so the 'big man' had no right to either...and the use of bad language doesn't automatically mean you can do that either, they're not on the same level at all. Oh, and the applause was totally pathetic.

Both are in the wrong here if you ask me.

He was asked by the conductor to remove himself. Several times.

The gobsh*te was rude and verbally abusive.

If you listen to the vid, there are others who are expressing their displeasure and backing up the conductor.

Moral of the story is: If you want to fare dodge and get caught - don't be dickhead about it.....otherwise you'll find the ones who DO PAY will make sure you get turfed out.

He could have left of his own volition. He chose not to. Therefore he was removed - by force as he was unwilling to leave through choice.

Not a thing wrong here.

This country is too soft with this type of yob - that's the problem.

[Jordan.]

People had places to be and he wasn't going to move so fair enough chucking him out on his arse.

[Ramsay]

But we dont know if the kid was in the wrong at all
If i was him and i bought a ticket and was accused of trying to get a free ride i wouldnt leave, i'd tell the old guy to **** off and stay where i am
For all we know thats what happened and this big ****er thinks its his place to physically throw the kid out and then gets APPLAUDED makes me sick
It could just be a huge misunderstanding and at the end of the day they should of let the proper authorities deal with it

[Samuel.]

Yeah he was a bit rough, but no harm was done.

He should have just left the train, I'm not sure what he was expecting to happen. Especially his attempt at getting back on.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

He should have just left the train, I'm not sure what he was expecting to happen. Especially his attempt at getting back on.

Probably to get the stuff he had that was left behind the big **** didnt seem to give him a chance at all

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

He was asked by the conductor to remove himself. Several times.

The gobsh*te was rude and verbally abusive.

If you listen to the vid, there are others who are expressing their displeasure and backing up the conductor.

Moral of the story is: If you want to fare dodge and get caught - don't be dickhead about it.....otherwise you'll find the ones who DO PAY will make sure you get turfed out.

He could have left of his own volition. He chose not to. Therefore he was removed - by force as he was unwilling to leave through choice.

Not a thing wrong here.

This country is too soft with this type of yob - that's the problem.

Just because he may have spouted some verbal abuse (which if you ask me is stretching that term a bit far, he swore a few times), that doesn't mean someone else can use physical abuse to remove him (again that'd be stretching that term too, physical force more like). The two don't go together and since the guy was never once violent, there is no excuse for anyone else to be violent (of the sort) towards him, other than any relevant authorities that have that power.

He wasn't just escorted out either, the guy dragged and hurled him out, which is totally unnecessary and there's no excuse for it.

An annoyance or not, you don't take things into your own hands - it is none of your business.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

The applause was the right thing to do as these bastards need to learn there place,and the way some people are going on you would think that the 19 year old was beaten black and blue.

Originally Posted by Little Donkey

To be honest I strongly disagree with dodging the fares. There's no reason to do it. Sure he may not have had money and maybe if I was desperate to get home or something I may have acted the same way he did and boarded the train anyway. Even so though, we all have to pay and if someone does it they should be punished. If I did it I'd feel forever guilty about it. I know so many people don't though. I'm not sure what to think of the applause but I do think he had it coming.

My friend has dodged fares before and it's just as bad as any type of theft, and I was disgusted with him. It's bad because so many people don't get caught.

Absolutely agree.

If everyone who used trains dodged fare paying - then the train companies would go bust....... then the ones on here who think it's was OTT would be moaning the lack of pubic train services.

[Roy Mars III]

The guy could have taken the kid off the train much gentler instead of just mauling him off.

At least give the kid his stuff

[Locke.]

Haven't paid for the train in years, it is all about bunking

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Just because he may have spouted some verbal abuse (which if you ask me is stretching that term a bit far, he swore a few times), that doesn't mean someone else can use physical abuse to remove him (again that'd be stretching that term too, physical force more like). The two don't go together and since the guy was never once violent, there is no excuse for anyone else to be violent (of the sort) towards him, other than any relevant authorities that have that power.

He wasn't just escorted out either, the guy dragged and hurled him out, which is totally unnecessary and there's no excuse for it.

An annoyance or not, you don't take things into your own hands - it is none of your business.

Actually Jack, it is MY business: even though I wasn't even on the train. Monies from train fares are liable for taxation, which hits the public purse. If those monies are depleted due to arseholes like this guy: the defecit has to be made up from some other sector. In effect: we ALL pay it.

How much of your hard earned wages go into the pubic purse......

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Karl

But we dont know if the kid was in the wrong at all
If i was him and i bought a ticket and was accused of trying to get a free ride i wouldnt leave, i'd tell the old guy to **** off and stay where i am
For all we know thats what happened and this big ****er thinks its his place to physically throw the kid out and then gets APPLAUDED makes me sick
It could just be a huge misunderstanding and at the end of the day they should of let the proper authorities deal with it

I think if he really did pay the fare then it would have been found out before him being chucked off the train.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

then the ones on here who think it's was OTT would be moaning the lack of pubic train services.

Considering I've already stated once in this thread that I don't for one second agree with fare dodging, that is complete and utter bull****.

Fare dodging is theft and it annoys me, however hauling a 19 year old out of a train when he wasn't violent towards anyone himself is uncalled for. It didn't concern him and not only that, as Karl has already mentioned, who is to say the 'fare dodger' was completely in the wrong? Without the full story he has even less of a right to take matters into his own hands.

Just because I don't agree with what the 'big man' in this video did, it doesn't mean I agree with fare dodging. Alright?