[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Salman!

if we're trying to understand bad behaviour maybe we should try to understand the terrorists way of thinking too. i bet they werent even terrorists they were just people who were unlawfully killed. wouldnt be surprised as it has been done before by the us troops. what if they were afraid and were just defending themselves and were killed in the process?

Yes I agree, we should understand terrorists, it's certainly not just a black and white picture of America/Britain = good, Taleban = bad.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by mtvn

yes i agree, we should understand terrorists, it's certainly not just a black and white picture of america/britain = good, taleban = bad.

THANK YOU

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes I agree, we should understand terrorists, it's certainly not just a black and white picture of America/Britain = good, Taleban = bad.

the taliban arn't bad? The Taliban supported Al Queada, let them have training camps, gave Osama Bin Laden his platform to INVENT 9/11. The Taliban are just as Guilty of 9/11 as Al Queada.

Every single Taliban should be killed, just like they were trying to kill every American. the Taliban were perfectly happy to let OBL kill Americans, now they have the gall to complain that they are the victims? Give me a FOOKING BREAK.

Every death, torture and indignity done to the Taliban is fully justified.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the taliban arn't bad? The Taliban supported Al Queada, let them have training camps, gave Osama Bin Laden his platform to INVENT 9/11. The Taliban are just as Guilty of 9/11 as Al Queada.

Every single Taliban should be killed, just like they were trying to kill every American. the Taliban were perfectly happy to let OBL kill Americans, now they have the gall to complain that they are the victims? Give me a FOOKING BREAK.

Every death, torture and indignity done to the Taliban is fully justified.

Again, this is too black and white a picture. It doesn't hurt to understand why people might join the Taliban, or have a different perspective on things. Do you think that if foreign invaders had entered your country and waged war on it for over a decade you wouldn't hold some animosity towards them as well? A lot of them have very legitimate grievances against NATO and the West

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Again, this is too black and white a picture. It doesn't hurt to understand why people might join the Taliban, or have a different perspective on things. Do you think that if foreign invaders had entered your country and waged war on it for over a decade you wouldn't hold some animosity towards them as well? A lot of them have very legitimate grievances against NATO and the West

foreign invaders? there were no US troops in Afghanistan before 9/11, so wtf are you talking about?? In fact, we actually gave them HELP when the RUSSIANS were invading them, and look what we got for helping them. No good deed goes unpunished.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes I agree, we should understand terrorists, it's certainly not just a black and white picture of America/Britain = good, Taleban = bad.

I'm sorry MTVN but I have to disagree with you here,Al Qaeda was bad for causing 9/11 when the Americans hadn't even done anything to them at that point.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I'm sorry MTVN but I have to disagree with you here,Al Qaeda was bad for causing 9/11 when the Americans hadn't even done anything to them at that point.

Even they had their motives though, the US had a military base in Saudi Arabia for example, Bin Laden thought that was a desecration of holy land. And there were the sanctions against Iraq which prevented necessities going into the country and caused huge poverty. And there's obviously the US support for Israel as well.

I'm definitely not saying these justified 9/11 but it's not really true that America hadn't done anything in the Middle East

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Even they had their motives though, the US had a military base in Saudi Arabia for example, Bin Laden thought that was a desecration of holy land. And there were the sanctions against Iraq which prevented necessities going into the country and caused huge poverty. And there's obviously the US support for Israel as well.

I'm definitely not saying these justified 9/11 but it's not really true that America hadn't done anything in the Middle East

I thought the Iraq war was after the Afghan war? because I remember the Americans was claiming weapons of mass destruction.

The Americans are not perfect but they hadn't done anything to Afrghanistan which is the only country Bin Laden should have been protecting really,so I don't see why he went for them really.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I thought the Iraq war was after the Afghan war? because I remember the Americans was claiming weapons of mass distruction.

The Americans are not perfect but they hadn't done anything to Afrghanistan which is the only country Bin Laden should be protecting really,so I don't see why he went for them really.

It wasn't the first time the US used military action against Iraq though, they also did in the Gulf War after Iraq invaded Kuwait, after which economic sanctions were imposed which was in part responsible for thousands of deaths. And Bin Laden was Saudi I think and most of the hijackers were also from there which is why they were so angered about the American intervention in Saudi Arabia

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I thought the Iraq war was after the Afghan war? because I remember the Americans was claiming weapons of mass destruction.

The Americans are not perfect but they hadn't done anything to Afrghanistan which is the only country Bin Laden should have been protecting really,so I don't see why he went for them really.

The first Iraq war in 1990 lead to sanctions against Iraq right up until the 2nd war commenced.

Your history is a little skewed there, too. When the internets is properly working again, you should research the history behind it all, it's really fascinating. But then again, I am a history geek.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The first Iraq war in 1990 lead to sanctions against Iraq right up until the 2nd war commenced.

Your history is a little skewed there, too. When the internets is properly working again, you should research the history behind it all, it's really fascinating. But then again, I am a history geek.

Yeah ok thanks.

And MTVN I didn't know Bin Laden was Saudi,I assumed he was from Afghanistan considering the Americans was so angry at them at the time.

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I'm sorry MTVN but I have to disagree with you here,Al Qaeda was bad for causing 9/11 when the Americans hadn't even done anything to them at that point.

That's just not true. The Americans support the Israeli occupation of Palestine, they have put dictators into place across the Muslim world. Bin Laden was funded by the USA, when he was fighting the Russians.

The US has very dirty hands when it comes to the Muslim world (as does the UK in fairness).

That said, even if the US had agreed to remove all their troops from Muslim lands across the globe, Bin Laden would have still attacked them.