[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Allowing a child to chose her own clothes, yes what a horrible thing, definitely the parents fault for doing something as stupid and careless as allowing a child to DRESS THEMSELF. are you fbvcking kidding me??

I dressed my kids when they were 5

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I dressed my kids when they were 5

and if you didn't, if you allowed them to dress themselves you think it would make them trans?? gimme a break.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i know, but i'm just saying, what you are saying is an opinion that is quite common and could be intimidating to a young person struggling with this.

Yeah and again, It doesn't affect me in the slightest what people chose to do, just thinking with my own mind I think I'd end up feeling worse having all that surgery and taking all those hormones etc.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and if you didn't, if you allowed them to dress themselves you think it would make them trans?? gimme a break.

lol, no, I never said that, I just said that when my kds were 5 I dressed them

[lostalex]

wel like i said, i don't believe in surgery or hormones until they are 22. But i certainly wouldn't force my child to wear clothes that they didn't wanna wear thinking that would fix things. And i wouldn't try to influence my child's gender identification. Everything short of surgery and hormones, i'd encourage him or her to explore in the meant time before he or she made a decision.

[lostalex]

I think we are agreeing mostly Niamh :P

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Allowing a child to chose her own clothes, yes what a horrible thing, definitely the parents fault for doing something as stupid and careless as allowing a child to DRESS THEMSELF. are you fbvcking kidding me??

When it comes to the child wanting to wear opposite sex clothing then it's not okay. Tell a child they can't do something and they wont. Because they've allowed him to have his own way he thinks it's normal now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think we are agreeing mostly Niamh :P

lol, yeah, I think my problem is trying to be able to put myself into that frame of mind, when I do I come up with such a different outlook

[Kizzy]

Im assuming he goes to school, the other boys will tell him it is not normal, and yet if he feels in his heart he is female then he should be supported, and if it does turn out to be temporary ...no harm done.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

lol, yeah, I think my problem is trying to be able to put myself into that frame of mind, when I do I come up with such a different outlook

I know my "fashion" choices when i was younger drove my parents crazy when i was younger, and i also know that they were embarrassed about it in public sometimes. They ne ver said it though, but i knew they were embarrassed. But the fact that they supported me meant EVERYTHING in the world.

It meant that even if it embarrassed them, they still supported me, and when you have kids that is what you should do.

Guess what, kids embarrass parents, and parents embarrass kids, but the most important thing is always supporting each other, cause family comes first ALWAYS.

That's what love is. Even if you are embarrassed or uncomfortable, you don't show it because you love someone enuf to not want that person to feel embarrassed too. Because you are more concerned about someone elses feelings than your own. That is what love is.

If you love someone you would never want to change them or embarrass them, even if you are embarrassed by them. you would rather be embarrassed than have them be embarrassed, that is love.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

They can still fall in love and get married and even adopt children. I don't see the big deal about it.

I don't see the big deal about it either. If that's what an adult (not a five year old child) wants and it will make them feel like a complete person, then that's their choice. But you said, along with a little laughing emoticon: "... If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female". When actually, they still have the XY chromosome and not the XX chromosome, so genetically they are not, and never will be, a woman.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't see the big deal about it either. If that's what an adult (not a five year old child) wants and it will make them feel like a complete person, then that's their choice. But you said, along with a little laughing emoticon: "... If someone takes female hormones and looks and feels female, and they are recognised legally as female then they are female". When actually, they still have the XY chromosome and not the XX chromosome, so genetically they are not, and never will be, a woman.

how many people have had a genetic test to prove whether they have an XX or XY? do you carry around proof?

If you think XX or XY can determine or define someone then you are ignorant. Human beings are infinitely complex, and those 2 letters are not as important as you seem to think.

[Kizzy]

I think he looks too cute to be a boy...i know, im not helping...

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah and again, It doesn't affect me in the slightest what people chose to do, just thinking with my own mind I think I'd end up feeling worse having all that surgery and taking all those hormones etc.

Its a different thing though. These people feel utterly trapped and disgusted when they are as their 'natural' gender. More often than not, the only way for them to be happy or feel normal is to have surgery and take the hormones.

[Jordan.]

How can he feel trapped when he has no idea yet what it entails to be female or even male for that matter. All he wants is to dress like a girl because he likes Dora the explorer. It's ridiculous.

[CharlieO]

The only thing that defines and man as a man and a woman as a woman is a smaller gamete cell. No surgery can change that so TECHNICALLY one can never change sex

(in reply to the Nimah Lostalex thing.)

[Locke.]

If it hasn't already had a sex change then what the bloody hell are they doing dressing it as a girl. People like that shouldn't be allowed to have kids, they should be neutered

[Jake.]

Not fair to the child, let him grow up first as it could just be a phase. A 5 year old shouldn't be allowed to make such desicions.

[Jords]

This is terrible hes too young to know. But tbh I disagree with transgender ops full stop. People need medical attention for serious issues such as cancer but time, money and equipment is being wasted on giving somebody a dick or pair of tits.

People who believe they are a woman but a man or vice-versa need counselling to learn to appreciate their own body. I dont think it helps their life that much at all having the op because most of the time its so obvious anyway. I also dont believe there is a 'female' brain or 'male' brain. Were not programmed to wanna shop, dress-up and love pink sparkly things or dig cars, wank and hit the gym. Our brains are individual and we like what we like. Maybe youre a ****** or a tomboy because you have them interests but I dont believe anybody actually is a woman trapped in a man's body or man trapped in a woman's body.

[Marsh.]

I don't really know what to think about this. I mean 5 years old is too young to "diagnose" him with anything. Yes, let him fantasise about things and dress in clothes that he wants. Then he'll either grow out of the phase or make his decision when he's older but he's not of an age where he knows anything about life in general or life as a man or a woman so I find it ridiculous.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jords

This is terrible hes too young to know. But tbh I disagree with transgender ops full stop. People need medical attention for serious issues such as cancer but time, money and equipment is being wasted on giving somebody a dick or pair of tits.

People who believe they are a woman but a man or vice-versa need counselling to learn to appreciate their own body. I dont think it helps their life that much at all having the op because most of the time its so obvious anyway. I also dont believe there is a 'female' brain or 'male' brain. Were not programmed to wanna shop, dress-up and love pink sparkly things or dig cars, wank and hit the gym. Our brains are individual and we like what we like. Maybe youre a ****** or a tomboy because you have them interests but I dont believe anybody actually is a woman trapped in a man's body or man trapped in a woman's body.

Technically, there are differences between a male and female brain.

But, I do agree with everything else you said. Strong therapy and counselling is needed in these situations. It's like with anorexics etc they suffer from a mental disorder and need help to allow them to appreciate the body they were born with.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I don't really know what to think about this. I mean 5 years old is too young to "diagnose" him with anything. Yes, let him fantasise about things and dress in clothes that he wants. Then he'll either grow out of the phase or make his decision when he's older but he's not of an age where he knows anything about life in general or life as a man or a woman so I find it ridiculous.

Exactly.

I don't know how anyone can honestly say a five year old should be given a life changing decision like this. What's to say he won't feel completely different in 10 years time. It could potentially ruin his life.

[Jords]

There are differences between a typical male and typical female brain I didnt word that very good. But I think majoritively thats to do with nuture rather than nature. Also gay and lesbian people behave stereotypically as the opposite sex - does it mean a stereotypical gay man has a female brain and a stereotypical lesbian woman has a male brain? Why arnt they transgender?

I honestly believe transgenders are just extreme transvestites/tomboys that latch on to the idea and convince themselves they must be the opposite sex. Or are gay/lesbian but unconsciously rejecting their sexuality and seek an alternate option... being transgender.

Maybe an ignorant view. Maybe a wrong view. But its my opinion on what I know of it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I don't really know what to think about this. I mean 5 years old is too young to "diagnose" him with anything. Yes, let him fantasise about things and dress in clothes that he wants. Then he'll either grow out of the phase or make his decision when he's older but he's not of an age where he knows anything about life in general or life as a man or a woman so I find it ridiculous.

and what do you know about being a man or a woman? cause last time i checked there are infinite variations, arn't all men and women individuals??

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jords

There are differences between a typical male and typical female brain I didnt word that very good. But I think majoritively thats to do with nuture rather than nature. Also gay and lesbian people behave stereotypically as the opposite sex - does it mean a stereotypical gay man has a female brain and a stereotypical lesbian woman has a male brain? Why arnt they transgender?

I honestly believe transgenders are just extreme transvestites/tomboys that latch on to the idea and convince themselves they must be the opposite sex. Or are gay/lesbian but unconsciously rejecting their sexuality and seek an alternate option... being transgender.

Maybe an ignorant view. Maybe a wrong view. But its my opinion on what I know of it.

really? gay/lesbian's act stereotypically? so i guess you have lived up to all of the stereotypes for your gender as a heterosexual??? You have been the ideal child for your parents have you? i guess you perfectly matched all stereotypes of a heterosexual in your life, just to make your parents proud. well how wonderful, and you want to impose that same standard on your kids???? REALLY?


so you would only be happy with a "typical" male or female child?

how boring/base


(at least you admit your wrongness and ignorance in your post, i'll give you credit for that)