[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

There is not "2 sides" to this conversation. This is about Women being BEATEN by MEN. end of. Nothing in the OP suggests otherwise.

So please explain to me what men being abused by women has to do with this thread? Frankly it's offensive, because it's like your trying to make it seem like it's EQUAL, that WOmen BEAT and ABUSE men in the same way, and they don't.

If you wanna talk about men being abused by women, then feel free to have that conversation, but this is NOT that conversation.

They do.

[lostalex]

we disagree.

[lostalex]

Look at the murder rates of men and women.
Do you know where a heterosexual woman is most likely to be murdered?

The most dangerous place for a heterosexual woman when it comes to murder is in her own home with a heterosexual male partner. That's a fact.

Funny, the same can't be said for heterosexual men.

Why do you think that is? What do you have to say about that?

A heterosexual woman is in more danger of being murdered in her own bedroom, than in a dark alley at night. That says a lot.

[Vicky.]

An article about female on male domestic abuse. I think you could maybe do with reading up on wat you are arguing doesnt exist...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...estic-violence

Men assaulted by their partners are often ignored by police, see their attacker go free and have far fewer refuges to flee to than women, says a study by the men's rights campaign group Parity.

Yeah, I guess its not equal then, you were right. The men seem to get a rawer deal from the authorities.

Ian McNicholl, 47, has painful memories to remind him of the terror he endured when he found himself a male victim of domestic violence.

His then fiancee, Michelle Williamson, punched him in the face several times, stubbed out cigarettes on his body, lashed him with a vacuum cleaner tube, hit him with a metal bar and a hammer and even poured boiling water on to his lap. That at 6ft he was almost a foot taller than her made no difference. He still has burn marks on his left shoulder from when she used steam from an iron on him. Williamson, 35, is now serving a seven-year jail sentence for causing both actual and grievous bodily harm.

During the trial last year McNicholl told the court that, during more than a year of attacks and intimidation, he had lost his job, home and self-respect. He had been too scared to go to the police and had considered suicide. She was only arrested after two neighbours saw her punch him.

Sentencing her at Grimsby crown court last year, judge John Reddihough told Williamson: "Over the period of time you were with him you destroyed him mentally and seriously harmed him physically, leaving him with both physical and mental scars."

Sounds very much like some women dont 'terrorise' their blokes alright eh?



Now I wonder if this sexist law will be passed or not...

[lostalex]

All of the arguments you are using are the same arguments that racist groups use against Affirmative Action laws. Just thought i'd point that out.

Some groups need more protection, and yes, it is unfair, but you need unfair laws to combat an UNFAIR SOCIETY. imho.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Look at the murder rates of men and women.
Do you know where a heterosexual woman is most likely to be murdered?

The most dangerous place for a heterosexual woman when it comes to murder is in her own home with a heterosexual male partner. That's a fact.

Funny, the same can't be said for heterosexual men.

Why do you think that is? What do you have to say about that?

A heterosexual woman is in more danger of being murdered in her own bedroom, than in a dark alley at night. That says a lot.

Thats actually really interesting.

Where is a heterosexual male more likely to be murdered?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

All of the arguments you are using are the same arguments that racist groups use against Affirmative Action laws. Just thought i'd point that out.

Some groups need more protection, and yes, it is unfair, but you need unfair laws to combat an UNFAIR SOCIETY. imho.

And there we have it.

Its fine to discriminate against the majority apparently.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

From the film "Fatal Attraction" with Michael Douglas. His mistress boils the family rabbit alive and leaves it on the hob for them to find. Hence the term "bunny boiler."

Thanks for the unnecessary info, I knew where it come from, please read the part of my post you yourself highlighted, if you have any problems understanding the point I was making please feel free to PM me

Originally Posted by lostalex

This law shouldn't be necessary. These monsters should be locked up for decades the first time. Women'shouldn't have to check on this sort of thing, they should trust their government to put these people in JAIL the FIRST time.

It's an outrage that any woman should have to fear these type of monsters are on the streets to begin with.

Forget 3 strikes and yur out, when it comes to domestic violence, it should be 1 strike and your OUT.

As a 1st hand witness to it, i think i can speak with some authority.

!st hand witness? Do you mean you were the victim of domestic abuse?

Originally Posted by lostalex

but Men arn't in the position where they have no financial resources because we live in a society where it's still okay that Men make more money than Women, and Women are still expected to be caretakers of the home with no payment. and many women are dependant on their husbands for many reasources.

It's not Equal, so please stop talking about it as if it IS equal.

When a woman leaves a man, she leaves with nothing at first, it can take YEARS to get a man to pay allamony or child support, wtf is she suppossed to do for those years??

Women in western society are literally TRAPPED by the systematic misogyny. Especially women that don't have a wealthy family to rely on.

Please don't pretend that women have the option of just leaving and they "auitomatically TAKE half" as seems to be the common meme.

When a woman leaves, she more often than not has NOTHING to her name, because these type of controlling men make sure she has nothing, that's one of the ways that they maintain control. That is how so many of them get away with it for so long. That's WY they stay so long, because they have no way out, because these MONSTER men make sure that they have no access to money or any resources.

When a woman tells you that a man is abusive, BELIEVE HER.

Once again you are gobbing off about things you know very little about. Refuges are available in the UK for victims of domestic violence, allowances and grants are available in a lot of cases for victims to help them start again
Unfortunately as pointed out elsewhere in the thread men arent terated the same.

My wife was an alchoholic, and I mean serious heavy duty alccy, when she had drunk all the available cash around the house on her latest binge, she would then phone me at work demanding I return home with cash for her to buy more drink. I would refuse.

So she would either phone the service police at the establishment I was working at, or later when they wisened to her act the local civilian police to inform them that I was abusing her.heres the funny thing, I never ever hit, though she did hit me, in fact she stabbed me a couple of times scalded me a couple of times too.

Please dont come on here claiming to know the truths of the earth until you have a little experience of life and the ills men do to one another.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Im sorry, but you are very naive if you think it's the same thing Vicky. I disagree VERY strongly.

There is no comparisson between a woman getting drunk and slaping a man, and a man TERRORIZING a woman.

I pray you never know better, cause it'll be a helluva wake-up call for you, and i wouldn't wish it on you.

Unfortunately most people are as naive as you, keep on protecting the rights of the most powerful. That really makes sense to you?

Yes, poor white heterosexual men. Because they are such VICTIMS in this world.

Give me a FOOKING break.

I would live to give you a break, but please dont think a woman terrorising a man on a daily basis is the same as a man giving a woman the odd slap.

Sounds horrible that doesnt it? Think about it.

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm, you do realize the political and justice system is 90% white heterosexual men, right?
so i'm pretty sure they have plenty of people loking out for THEM and THEIR interests.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of sympathetic ears for str8 white MEN in the British justice system.

That's all i'm saying.

I take it you are an outraged homosexal male then going by the comments on this post?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've never heard about that before, can't find anything online about it either?

Edit - never mind, found a post about it on some forum quoting the Mirror

It's true MTVN,and so wrong imo.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But you see the problem with that is that if she were told, let's be honest the chances are that she would have told almost everyone else she knew, and vigilante action would have been likely. Not the greatest of ideas I think.

She should have been told as soon as she started dating him,then at least she could have made her own mind up,and as for her telling others,you don't have to worry Jack,the tax payers have protected them thus far so no doubt will continue to do so,myself I would broadcast it from the rooftops and let him take his chances and see how brave he really is!now what a GOOD idea,but that is another subject and off topic!

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I take it you are an outraged homosexal male then going by the comments on this post?

Oops, my bad, i didn't realize being a homosexual disqualified me from having an OPINION.

REALLY?

yes he actually did say that to me. WOW> this is the year 2012 and he ACTUALLY said that to me. lol

[Kizzy]

Alex please dont make this thread about you, or america...it isn't. The laws here seem to be amended daily as they struggle with the issues of domestic violence, as a sociological fact these cases rise in times of financial hardship such as the ongoing recession.

[lostalex]

wow, you deleted all that but yu l;eft that post by Kizzy??? REALLY???

REALLY NOW????


think about that.

[Marsh.]

I've got to say some of lostalex's responses are baffling.

Women are just as capable of terrorizing and abusing men, as men are to women.

It is sexist that women are getting these measures to protect themselves from men, whilst men don't have the option to check for a psycho bitch.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I've got to say some of lostalex's responses are baffling.

Women are just as capable of terrorizing and abusing men, as men are to women.

oh really? because women has as much money as men? women hold an equal number of positions of power as men? Women are usually physically as strong as men?? REALLY?

When a woman goes before a judge to accusse a man of rape, tell me, what percentage of judges are women?

do you know?

Get REAL.

[lostalex]

Unbelievable the amount of ignorance on this forum. And you all have the nerve to criticize the American justice system?

Lord help us all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

oh really? because women has as much money as men? women hold an equal number of positions of power as men? Women are usually physically as strong as men?? REALLY?

When a woman goes before a judge to accusse a man of rape, tell me, what percentage of judges are women?

do you know?

Get REAL.

Are all women physically weaker than men, are ALL men big, muscly and strong.

Are all women emotionally more stable than men?

You can say "Women are weaker than men" but that is a BROAD GENERALISATION. There are severe cases of men being abused mentally and physically by their female partners and have just as much right as women do to protect themselves from these psychos MALE OR FEMALE.

BIB, irony at best.

[Marsh.]

Your term "usually" is the key, not all men are strong and not all women are weak. FACT.

It's not ignorance love, get down off your pedestal.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Alex please dont make this thread about you, or america...it isn't. The laws here seem to be amended daily as they struggle with the issues of domestic violence, as a sociological fact these cases rise in times of financial hardship such as the ongoing recession.

i;'m sorry are you saying that it's understandable for a MAN to BEAT and KILL a woman because the ECONOMY is bad?


Wow, it's making me think of all those posts about how Sarah Palin "only in America" it was cute and ironic at the time, but jesus, i guess it's NOT ONLY IN AMERICA is it...

[lostalex]

Amazing. I've learned more about the UK in 20 minutes on this thread than i have with 3 years of watching Newsnight.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i;'m sorry are you saying that it's understandable for a MAN to BEAT and KILL a woman because the ECONOMY is bad?


Wow, it's making me think of all those posts about how Sarah Palin "only in America" it was cute and ironic at the time, but jesus, i guess it's NOT ONLY IN AMERICA is it...

You really do take the slightest comment and blow it out of all proportion.

Economic hardship increases stress, depression and a number of other mental health issues, financial struggles, which then causes marriage breakdowns, violence etc etc. It's not giving the people a way out or an excuse for what they did but it's true. Can you not see that?

It's not the reason for ALL of them and it's no damn excuse but it's valid none the less.

Your main problem is you generalise everything and a mole hill becomes a mountain.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

You really do take the slightest comment and blow it out of all proportion.

Economic hardship increases stress, depression and a number of other mental health issues, financial struggles, which then causes marriage breakdowns, violence etc etc. It's not giving the people a way out or an excuse for what they did but it's true. Can you not see that?

It's not the reason for ALL of them and it's no damn excuse but it's valid none the less.

Your main problem is you generalise everything and a mole hill becomes a mountain.

I would say go back and read the thread, but some mysterious force has deleted a large portion of this thread, so i guess (as i suspect was intended) i'll just have to smile and nod, and pretend that entire PAGES weren't deleted.


SMILES AND NODS. yay for pretending.

reality, TiBB style.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I would say go back and read the thread, but some mysterious force has deleted a large portion of this thread, so i guess (as i suspect was intended) i'll just have to smile and nod, and pretend that entire PAGES weren't deleted.


SMILES AND NODS. yay for pretending.

reality, TiBB style.

So, nothing valid to add? No actual response to what I posted?
No grown up way to move the discussion forward?

Just a 'fingers in ears, ignore it and it'll go away'?

Should have known this from experience in the past but I won't fall for it again.

Memo to self - Never try to have any kind of discussion with lostalex.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I would say go back and read the thread, but some mysterious force has deleted a large portion of this thread, so i guess (as i suspect was intended) i'll just have to smile and nod, and pretend that entire PAGES weren't deleted.


SMILES AND NODS. yay for pretending.

reality, TiBB style.

No pretending necessary. Only 9 posts have been deleted in here, half of which were just full of abuse, not valid debating.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No pretending necessary. Only 9 posts have been deleted in here, half of which were just full of abuse, not valid debating.

abuse from who towards who? i think we should make that clear. I certainly never targetted anyone, funny how the person who did seems to have a guardian angel though, and i'm left being accussed of stirring trouble...

hmmmmmm. Yea, that's totally fair......