[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

This one for me is hard as I take on board both sides,they have just said on the news that BOTH MEN And women can ask about past lives,where I struggle is in the case of the girl Robert Thompson(one of James Bulgers killers)fathered a child with and she wasn't told of his past,this imo is wrong,to her and her family,in cases like that I think a partner should be told immediately.

Oh God, how devastating that must have been for her when she found out

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh God, how devastating that must have been for her when she found out

They are no longer together Niamh,they split a while ago,but that poor girl and worse that poor child !but better that he is not with them

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kazanne

This one for me is hard as I take on board both sides,they have just said on the news that BOTH MEN And women can ask about past lives,where I struggle is in the case of the girl Robert Thompson(one of James Bulgers killers)fathered a child with and she wasn't told of his past,this imo is wrong,to her and her family,in cases like that I think a partner should be told immediately.

I've never heard about that before, can't find anything online about it either?

Edit - never mind, found a post about it on some forum quoting the Mirror

[Roy Mars III]

while the idea of the law is good, it will be abused by people

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

They are no longer together Niamh,they split a while ago,but that poor girl and worse that poor child !but better that he is not with them

Yeah, but eventually that child will have to find out what it's dad did, poor thing.

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

while the idea of the law is good, it will be abused by people

Yeah, unfortunately I think you're right

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Regarding what?

Regarding what we're discussing here.

Just because someone doesn’t have a record doesn’t mean they are incapable of committing a crime, neither does it doesn't mean they have never committed one. They may have been arrested and had the charges dropped because the victim refused to press charges, or they may have been acquitted because of insufficient evidence or another reason. Furthermore, just because someone was once convicted of violence doesn't mean they will ever reoffend. And details of what kind of convictions are going to be passed on? Just domestic violence or all types of violence? Who decides what's relevant?

It's a mare's nest and will be open to all kinds of abuse.

[bbfan1991]

I think it will be good and help women affected, although we never know what happens behind close doors, the ones who do it are mainly people who come across polite or nasty in public and nasty behind closed doors.

I have always wanted more to be done about Domestic Violence on men though because it does happen.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by kazanne

This one for me is hard as I take on board both sides,they have just said on the news that BOTH MEN And women can ask about past lives,where I struggle is in the case of the girl Robert Thompson(one of James Bulgers killers)fathered a child with and she wasn't told of his past,this imo is wrong,to her and her family,in cases like that I think a partner should be told immediately.

he shouldn't have been let out of prison in the first place, I can't believe they let him out!

[Kizzy]

It has been made much harder for victims to drop charges,
http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/p.../domv.html#a05

As i have said many times only cases where there is a conviction should be made available.What kind of abuse do you mean, who do you think will be privvy to that information?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

This one for me is hard as I take on board both sides,they have just said on the news that BOTH MEN And women can ask about past lives,where I struggle is in the case of the girl Robert Thompson(one of James Bulgers killers)fathered a child with and she wasn't told of his past,this imo is wrong,to her and her family,in cases like that I think a partner should be told immediately.

But you see the problem with that is that if she were told, let's be honest the chances are that she would have told almost everyone else she knew, and vigilante action would have been likely. Not the greatest of ideas I think.

[Shasown]

I think the campaigners who are attempting to push this sexist rubbish into statute would be better spent asking why the police were unable to protect the victim.

Surely an adequate system to protect victims including fast tracking anti harrassment orders, immediate removal of bail when conditions have been broken in such cases etc, would be of far better value than some half assed law that removes the right of the individual, breaks the Rehabilitation of Offenders Acts and gives women one sided power to denigrate males.

I take it that it would be deemed politically incorrect to query where the term bunny boiler came from?

Originally Posted by Shasown

I think the campaigners who are attempting to push this sexist rubbish into statute would be better spent asking why the police were unable to protect the victim.

Surely an adequate system to protect victims including fast tracking anti harrassment orders, immediate removal of bail when conditions have been broken in such cases etc, would be of far better value than some half assed law that removes the right of the individual, breaks the Rehabilitation of Offenders Acts and gives women one sided power to denigrate males.

I take it that it would be deemed politically incorrect to query where the term bunny boiler came from?

From the film "Fatal Attraction" with Michael Douglas. His mistress boils the family rabbit alive and leaves it on the hob for them to find. Hence the term "bunny boiler."

[Vicky.]

Seems a bit daft to me, and very open to abuse tbh :/

[Vicky.]

And yes, it is ridiculously sexist also.

Women beat their blokes too. It just doesnt get reported as often

[lostalex]

This law shouldn't be necessary. These monsters should be locked up for decades the first time. Women'shouldn't have to check on this sort of thing, they should trust their government to put these people in JAIL the FIRST time.

It's an outrage that any woman should have to fear these type of monsters are on the streets to begin with.

Forget 3 strikes and yur out, when it comes to domestic violence, it should be 1 strike and your OUT.

As a 1st hand witness to it, i think i can speak with some authority.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And yes, it is ridiculously sexist also.

Women beat their blokes too. It just doesnt get reported as often

but Men arn't in the position where they have no financial resources because we live in a society where it's still okay that Men make more money than Women, and Women are still expected to be caretakers of the home with no payment. and many women are dependant on their husbands for many reasources.

It's not Equal, so please stop talking about it as if it IS equal.

When a woman leaves a man, she leaves with nothing at first, it can take YEARS to get a man to pay allamony or child support, wtf is she suppossed to do for those years??

Women in western society are literally TRAPPED by the systematic misogyny. Especially women that don't have a wealthy family to rely on.

Please don't pretend that women have the option of just leaving and they "auitomatically TAKE half" as seems to be the common meme.

When a woman leaves, she more often than not has NOTHING to her name, because these type of controlling men make sure she has nothing, that's one of the ways that they maintain control. That is how so many of them get away with it for so long. That's WY they stay so long, because they have no way out, because these MONSTER men make sure that they have no access to money or any resources.

When a woman tells you that a man is abusive, BELIEVE HER.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but Men arn't in the position where they have no financial resources because we live in a society where it's still okay that Men make more money than Women, and Women are still expected to be caretakers of the home with no payment. and many women are dependant on their husbands for many reasources.

It's not Equal, so please stop talking about it as if it IS equal.

When a woman leaves a man, she leaves with nothing at first, it can take YEARS to get a man to pay allamony or child support, wtf is she suppossed to do for those years??

Women in western society are literally TRAPPED by the systematic misogyny. Especially women that don't have a wealthy family to rely on.

Please don't pretend that women have the option of just leaving and they "auitomatically TAKE half" as seems to be the common meme.

When a woman leaves, she more often than not has NOTHING to her name, because these type of controlling men make sure she has nothing, that's one of the ways that they maintain control. That is how so many of them get away with it for so long/

What the hell?! Are you still living in the 50s or something?!

As for the bold bit, same goes for the other way round too. Controlling women would make sure their partner had nothing, and relied on them totally.

[lostalex]

Im sorry, but you are very naive if you think it's the same thing Vicky. I disagree VERY strongly.

There is no comparisson between a woman getting drunk and slaping a man, and a man TERRORIZING a woman.

I pray you never know better, cause it'll be a helluva wake-up call for you, and i wouldn't wish it on you.

Unfortunately most people are as naive as you, keep on protecting the rights of the most powerful. That really makes sense to you?

Yes, poor white heterosexual men. Because they are such VICTIMS in this world.

Give me a FOOKING break.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Im sorry, but you are very naive if you think it's the same thing Vicky. I disagree VERY strongly.

There is no comparisson between a woman getting drunk and slaping a man, and a man TERRORIZING a woman.

I pray you never know better, cause it'll be a helluva wake-up call for you, and i wouldn't wish it on you. You'd probably kill yourself over the guilt you'd feel over what you've said in this thread.

I didnt compare those though. I know theres a big difference between those two cases.

[Vicky.]

Also, as per your edit...who mentioned colour...and what on earth does that have to do with it?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also, as per your edit...who mentioned colour...and what on earth does that have to do with it?

ummm, you do realize the political and justice system is 90% white heterosexual men, right?
so i'm pretty sure they have plenty of people loking out for THEM and THEIR interests.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of sympathetic ears for str8 white MEN in the British justice system.

That's all i'm saying.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm, you do realize the political and justice system is 90% white heterosexual men, right?
so i'm pretty sure they have plenty of people loking out for THEM and THEIR interests.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of sympathetic ears for str8 white MEN in the British justice system.

That's all i'm saying.

Again, what does that have to do with the fact that males get abused by their partners too? Its not always male on female domestic abuse.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Again, what does that have to do with the fact that males get abused by their partners too? Its not always male on female domestic abuse.

umm, okay, are we gonna play a semantics game? okay then..

then what does men being abused by female partners have to do with the original topic at all???

If you'd like to talk about men being abused by women, then start a new thread, cause it's got nothing to do with this one.

Since yur gonna be such a stickler for the rules, follow yur own advice.

You're the one that hijacked this thread with an off topic conversation, not me.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, okay, are we gonna play a semantics game? okay then..

then what does men being abused by female partners have to do with the original topic at all???

If you'd like to talk about men being abused by women, then start a new thread, cause it's got nothing to do with this one.

Since yur gonna be such a stickler for the rules, follow yur own advice.

...

The law in the OP is sexist. This is why men being abused by their partners has been brought into it. Its about domestic abuse, and that goes both ways.

What does colour have to do with the law being proposed?

What does how many 'str8 white men' are in the justice system have to do with it?

For some reason you seem to have something against white heterosexual males, this is about the only thing your posts in here have made clear.

[lostalex]

There is not "2 sides" to this conversation. This is about Women being BEATEN by MEN. end of. Nothing in the OP suggests otherwise.

So please explain to me what men being abused by women has to do with this thread? Frankly it's offensive, because it's like your trying to make it seem like it's EQUAL, that WOmen BEAT and ABUSE men in the same way, and they don't.

If you wanna talk about men being abused by women, then feel free to have that conversation, but this is NOT that conversation.