[Kizzy]

Jedward if you are being bullied school, work or online it is an offence...Tell someone, and take it as high as you can if they dont listen

Christopher Hitchens - My literary idol.

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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Jedward if you are being bullied school, work or online it is an offence...Tell someone, and take it as high as you can if they dont listen

It's alright thanks Kizzy as they was all in Primary School,one I punched in the face after he tried to beat me up again,the other two got expelled for trying to cut my finger off with sissors (which has given me fears of sissors ever since) and one psycho tried to strangle me but I spat in his face afterwards so all is good.

They done more to me obviously but that was there worse and last crimes to me.

[joeysteele]

I think he was totally wrong to post the comments he did, I also think some warning in some form is appropriate to be given, however this seems another step to new criminal laws which will cause all sorts of problems and cost fortunes for the cases of.

I come down on the side of while it's offensive,it's not and should not be classed as a criminal act. People like this thrive on the publicity of it all, far better to highlight it and let him be made aware it's unacceptable, then keep a watch on it too by all means afterwards.
Some people have extreme views unfortunately.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

It's alright thanks Kizzy as they was all in Primary School,one I punched in the face after he tried to beat me up again,the other two got expelled for trying to cut my finger off with sissors (which has given me fears of sissors ever since) and one psycho tried to strangle me but I spat in his face afterwards so all is good.

They done more to me obviously but that was there worse and last crimes to me.

That's awful jf, Primary school too. I am very sad you had to go through that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's awful jf, Primary school too. I am very sad you had to go through that.

It's alright Joey,people go through worse than that everyday so that's all I thought about when the bastards was being vile to me.

[Kizzy]

Amazing, well done! you are an inspiration...with focus and determination your courage, self belief and ability to put things in perspective saw you through.
A lot of people dont have that, especially at such a young age

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Amazing, well done! you are an inspiration...with focus and determination your courage, self belief and ability to put things in perspective saw you through.
A lot of people dont have that, especially at such a young age

Thanks Kizzy,tbf it is hard as I struggled with all that for awhile.

Anybody that is suffering from bullying in school at the moment should get the situation sorted out by telling a Teacher and not fight them like I did.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Amazing, well done! you are an inspiration...with focus and determination your courage, self belief and ability to put things in perspective saw you through.
A lot of people dont have that, especially at such a young age

Excellent statement and I hope you don't mind my using your quote kizzy to say to jf, that I echo 100% all that is said in the above post.

[Kizzy]

Amazeballs! you should speak to jamie pugh, he has found a way to campaign for a better approach to bullying.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Amazeballs! you should speak to jamie pugh, he has found a way to campaign for a better approach to bullying.

Thanks Kizzy,I will do so if somebody else tries to bully me.

[Brother Leon]

It's sad this thread has more pages than the Muamba thread itself.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

It's sad this thread has more pages than the Muamba thread itself.

Because sadly that thread will not get as much due to it being in the Football sub-forum.

[Brother Leon]

A nice jail sentence for 50+ days

[King Gizzard]

Going to have to build 489438943894398 prisons if you're going to jail everyone who tweets something racist on twitter

[King Gizzard]

Kind of takes the piss when all JT will get is a fine and a slap on the wrist after the euros at his hearing, and then probably retire from international football anyway

[arista]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

A nice jail sentence for 50+ days

Yes he was High on Drugs
but he wewnt on Public Twitter
and has now been put in prison.


Destroyed his Future Education.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-Muamba.html

[Mrluvaluva]

"Stacey, who was told by the judge he had done "untold harm" to his future, was in his third year and had wanted to be a forensic scientist but will not be able to complete his degree."


SKY


He has screwed his future up now. Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to any others who are tempted to put any kind of threatening/inciting material on the internet.

[MTVN]

Kinda sucks that you can be locked up and have your whole future and education ruined for being an idiot and posting some stupid racist jokes on your Twitter account

[King Gizzard]

Yep, and there's probably been alot of unreported tweets that have gotten away with it, these things are hard to do because there really needs to be consistency or else it's pathetic

[bbfan1991]

Serves him right, teaches people and it is a warning for people who are offensive.

Free speech is fine in this country, although some people like this guy go too far and there has to be consequences..

[Mrluvaluva]

The internet has not been policed properly in recent years due to constraints, but hopefully this will be a turnaround, and such matters will not be overlooked any more. This came to the polices attention due to the fact that members of the public reported it. At least things seem to be going in the right direction. If such things were said and witnessed in the street, he would have been prosecuted, so why not on the internet? Words are words, whether spoken or written.

[King Gizzard]

The internet is the only place where you can say what you want basically (within reason) I don't want that to be taken away because of a few idiots who misuse it

Twitter will become this heavily watered down craphole where you have to wait for tweets to be confirmed or some rubbish like that

[Mrluvaluva]

Unfortunately the minority generally spoil things for the majority.

[Mrluvaluva]

A different view from The Telegraph:

"Top banter: Liam Stacey is an idiot. That's punishment enough for his Fabrice Muamba tweets.

Top banter eh? Liam Stacey. Top drunken banter of which any red-blooded Lad would be proud. Let's look at some of that japesome badinage in full, because by crikey, we've all got a lot to learn from your razor-edged wit.

As Fabrice Muamba, the Bolton Wanderers midfielder who suffered a heart attack during an FA Cup quarter final against Tottenham Hotspur, lay apparently dying on the field, Mr Stacey tweeted: “LOL, ******* Muamba. He’s dead.”

In response to some of the people on Twitter who suggested that this might not be quite the time for it, he proceeded to add:
• you are a silly ******… Your mothers a w*g and your dad is a rapist! Bonjour you scruffy northen *******!
• owwww go suck a n****r d*** you *********g aids ridden ******
• go suck muamba's dead black d**k then you aids ridden t**t! #muambasdead
• go rape your dog! #******!
• I aint your friend you w*g ****** ….go pick some cotton!

There are a few more examples of his Wildean mind in action here.

And then, to remind the sensitive among us that it was only some top, top banter – no doubt he would describe himself as the Archbishop of Banterbury – he said:
• only taking the p**s, obviously people can't take a joke

Obviously. And it turns out that the courts can't really take a joke either. Stacey has been charged with inciting racial hatred, pleaded guilty, and been sentenced to 56 days in jail.

Mr Stacey is, I hope you'd agree, an idiot. Or at the very least, when he is catastrophically drunk (as he apparently was, after Wales won the grand slam in the rugby Six Nations), he behaves like a prize idiot; perhaps in sober day-to-day life he's perfectly intelligent. But does he deserve to be jailed? My colleague Ed West says no; that "whenever race becomes a factor in anything, people lose their ability to reason", and that his tweets, while horrible and vicious, were significantly less unpleasant than a lot of actual violent assaults which get let off with suspended sentences or community service. (I know from previous comments that many of you remember this one – another racist attack, but by Muslim girls on a white girl, in which the attackers were given suspended sentences.)

I think Ed's wrong, on one count. I think this isn't, so much, about race as about the strange three-way relationship between Twitter, public outrage and the law.

Last week, the country was united, as it rarely is, in sympathy and shock for Muamba. Opinion is divided about these fits of public emotion – the national tearfulness after Diana's death, and so on. A friend of mine notes that in football especially they are spasmodic, and bring fleeting bouts of concern – for a few weeks British football was consumed with worry about depression, after Gary Speed's suicide in November; now it's heart screening, after Muamba – before being largely forgotten. But for the most part the emotion is genuine, even if it might be a brief madness of crowds.

So when Stacey tweeted his nasty little tweets about Muamba, even though he was probably only being followed by a couple of hundred people at most, it shot around the internet, because people who were genuinely concerned about the life of a young man read them with shock. They were spotted by Stan Collymore, the football commentator who has recently worked to highlight racist abuse on Twitter, and gained more publicity still.

This is the problem, as far as the law is concerned, with Twitter. Today, for the first time, libel damages have been won over a tweet: Chris Cairns, a former New Zealand cricketer, won £90,000 from Lalit Modi, the deposed Indian Premier League commissioner, over unfounded match-fixing allegations. Modi's tweet was seen by an estimated 65 people, but one of them was the CricInfo website, which spread it further. In 2010, Paul Chambers was convicted of sending a "menacing message" over a public telecommunications system after he joked on Twitter about blowing Robin Hood Airport "sky high" because its flights were snowed off and was spotted by the police. In each case, people think of Twitter as a sort of extended pub conversation, or private chatroom, but in theory it could be seen by millions of people: it is a publishing tool which can reach as many people as any newspaper or television channel, if the author's luck is good or bad enough.

In Stacey's case, it was his bad luck/thundering stupidity that he made his horrible comments at a time when Twitter was particularly on the lookout for unpleasantness about Muamba, so it spread like a cold in a playground. And, of course, once the police is made aware of someone apparently breaking the law (and whatever you think of the hate-crime laws, the phrase "I aint your friend you w*g ****** ….go pick some cotton!" is surely at least a contender for the title of "incitement to racial hatred"), they have to do something about it. It didn't matter, so much, that it was race; it mattered that his sort-of-private conversation became incredibly public due to widespread public disgust.

For what it's worth, which is not very much, while I despise Stacey's "banter" and think it is a prime example of why the word needs to be rejected by all right-thinking people and left to rot with simpletons like him, I agree with Ed that it's wrong to jail him, when perpetrators of other, by any measure far more terrible, crimes walk from the court. For Mr Stacey, a lifetime of being an idiot is probably punishment enough.


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