[Livia]

I come from Newham. I'm shocked that a police officer in such a racially diverse area could be so backward in his thinking that he blatantly abused someone on the grounds of his race. I might have forgiven him for the swearing... the police do a tough job and have to deal with the dregs of society at times and it must be frustrating. But there is never, ever, any excuse for using racist language. He has brought the reputation of the police into disrepute and he should be ashamed of himself.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Im not going to entertain the notion anything any rioter did was justified

You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

It seems to me that the police should not be treating people like that, but the victim doesn't sound like a very nice person to me either so I won't loose any sleep worrying about his struggle.

He's being racially abused. Is he supposed to reply with "Yes sir"?

[Mystic Mock]

It is racist what he said as he called him a ******,it's not like he was describing what he looked like to a higher up is it.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Nobody should be called a ******.

Oh I dunno about that.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Oh I dunno about that.

From a professional point of view.....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as




He's being racially abused. Is he supposed to reply with "Yes sir"?

Originally The Riots started off as a peaceful protest until Chavy teens saw an oppotunity to cause chaos and imo I don't care if the Officer went a little rough on him as The Rioters didn't care about burning family businesses down,or when that guy got ganged on by 10 people,and they left him all disorientated.

But I do agree that Police Officers that are racist should be sacked from the force as they won't be impartial on the cases to do with black or asian people.

[Shaun]

Oh right. Fair enough

[GiRTh]

Of course its racist. The officer is supposed to be trained to not swear at the public, to not use racist language to not belittle a member of the public. Everyone is different, we are all individuals but for a trained member of the Police force to act in this way shows major shortcomings in either the way the police are being trained or the personnel they are appointing.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

coincidence I was reading on lynching of blacks in the past, such as will brown (1919). I'm sure some racists deep down wish they still had the right to do it.

I also wish black people would stop using "*****" in hip hop now because literally every race is saying this now and some black people have a problem with them saying it, even though it's claimed that "*****" is different the one ending in "er"

If we want a difference it would be nice if we could start by banning that word all together and not making it ok.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I come from Newham. I'm shocked that a police officer in such a racially diverse area could be so backward in his thinking that he blatantly abused someone on the grounds of his race. I might have forgiven him for the swearing... the police do a tough job and have to deal with the dregs of society at times and it must be frustrating. But there is never, ever, any excuse for using racist language. He has brought the reputation of the police into disrepute and he should be ashamed of himself.

That's beginning to be the problem you see. Ethnics are larger in numbers in most places now, and many whites are getting pissed off about it. In some places it's even beginning to be weird to see a white person they stick out like a sore thumb. I'll say places like Ilford for example, although there it's mostly Asian rather than blacks or other.
I think racism might start to get worst again because of many things

-Ethnics outnumbering whites in places
-Political correctness, some whites feel they have to be correct with what they say about blacks but doesn't work the same way for blacks.
-I'll say this about Asians they are a bit too arrogant with how they get majority of jobs and that kind pisses me off a bit too.

etc....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Of course its racist. The officer is supposed to be trained to not swear at the public, to not use racist language to not belittle a member of the public. Everyone is different, we are all individuals but for a trained member of the Police force to act in this way shows major shortcomings in either the way the police are being trained or the personnel they are appointing.

Tbf you can't help the odd racist slipping into The Police Force as how can you prove that they are racist unless you catch them in the act?

I agree with you on the swearing and belittling though as they're suppose to be trained better than that,especially if the suspect was innocent afterall.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Originally The Riots started off as a peaceful protest until Chavy teens saw an oppotunity to cause chaos

Not true in the slightest.


The fact so many people genuinely believe this is the case shows the Government and Police won by sweeping the real issue under the carpet.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

Not true in the slightest.


The fact so many people genuinely believe this is the case shows the Government and Police won by sweeping the real issue under the carpet.

You genuinely believe that all them people was protesting over what happened to that guy? it's sad but it's true,half of them didn't give a **** about what happened to him and was just using it as an excuse for there greed.

And even if what you say is true,why did these people attack innocent civilians that did nothing to them?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

You genuinely believe that all them people was protesting over what happened to that guy? it's sad but it's true,half of them didn't give a **** about what happened to him and was just using it as an excuse for there greed.

And even if what you say is true,why did these people attack innocent civilians that did nothing to them?

Don't get me wrong, alot couldn't care about Mark. But you said it was a peaceful protest until Teens smelled an opportunity. This wasn't the case. But this is the message which is being portrayed. The protest was handled poorly by the police presence and in the end Tottenham wasn't even allowed to protest his shooting. Throw in the fact a Policeman threw a 15 year old girl to the ground and then it all kicked off. Throw in the fact also that people from Tottenham were angry already at the fact an unarmed man was killed and youths all over the country were angry at the fact the Police literally get away with murder resulted in the Riots.

It wasn't "Chavs" deciding to steal trainers and cause trouble for the hell of it, which Mr. Cameron or Media outlets would like everyone to believe.

[Mystic Mock]

Fair enough but alot I was hearing about seemed to be Chavs to me,although I know alot was probably protesting for Mark,thanks for reminding me of his name as my mind went blank for a second.

[MTVN]

Tbh I think people often offer too simplistic explanations for the riots, just reducing it down to "chavs wanting new trainers" or something like that, when a study was done into the causes behind the rioting the results actually showed that anger at the police was a significant factor driving it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-6272448.html

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tbh I think people often offer too simplistic explanations for the riots, just reducing it down to "chavs wanting new trainers" or something like that, when a study was done into the causes behind the rioting the results actually showed that anger at the police was a significant factor driving it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-6272448.html

Yeah was those the ones that burnt businesses down or beat the **** out of people?

Also it isn't really getting back at The Police stealing Trainers from shops,that's what makes me believe that it was Chavs doing that.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Yeah was those the ones that burnt businesses down or beat the **** out of people?

Also it isn't really getting back at The Police stealing Trainers from shops,that's what makes me believe that it was Chavs doing that.

Well the study doesn't say it was the only cause

Out of those questioned, 85% said policing was an "important" or "very important" factor in why the riots happened.

It was second only to poverty, which saw 86% of rioters class it as one of the main causes of the four consecutive nights of unrest during the summer.

According to the data, 80% of rioters said government policy was an "important" or "very important" cause of the riots, with unemployment scoring 79%, the shooting of Mark Duggan scoring 75% and social media - which is believed to have helped facilitate the spread of the trouble across the UK's cities - scoring 74%.

Other major factors included media coverage, greed, inequality, boredom, criminality, moral decline and racial tensions, the study found

Poor parenting and gangs were also said to be an important cause of the trouble, which led to the deaths of five people and saw more than 4,000 arrested

[Brother Leon]

I don't condone the looting what so ever. That was ****ing with people's livelihoods, I however have no shame in saying I felt some of the anger shown on the streets,especially where it started at least was understandable.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

It wasn't "Chavs" deciding to steal trainers and cause trouble for the hell of it, which Mr. Cameron or Media outlets would like everyone to believe.

The London riots were not about this initially, but once they spread to other areas, it was mainly not about a cause, it was totally about stealing trainers, clothes and whatever else could be gained by ill gotten means. That is why I have nothing but contempt for such people who participated in towns like Manchester (my home town). If they were fighting for something they believed in, and what they were doing had a message, I would have had the utmost respect for them, but they just shat on their own doorstep for their own personal gratification. They just made things worse for themselves. They didn't change a thing.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by kizzy

This guardian article got me thinking...as I really dont see the police said anything wrong...Except 1 use of the N word.... Am i missing something?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...lack-man-abuse

You can't be ****ing serious. You don't see anything wrong EXCEPT the use of the N-word?

I've heard it all.

Shame on you.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Are you serious, you don't see anything wrong with a police officer telling someone that he strangled him because he's a "*****", telling him he'll be "dead in five years", making sexual comments about his mother and saying that "the problem with you is you will always be a n*gger"?

Are we reading the same article?

Right. Only a racist would see this as not being racist.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

The London riots were not about this initially, but once they spread to other areas, it was mainly not about a cause, it was totally about stealing trainers, clothes and whatever else could be gained by ill gotten means. That is why I have nothing but contempt for such people who participated in towns like Manchester (my home town). If they were fighting for something they believed in, and what they were doing had a message, I would have had the utmost respect for them, but they just shat on their own doorstep for their own personal gratification. They just made things worse for themselves. They didn't change a thing.

..yes..the problem is..when things descend to this level..any cause..any reason..any points..just get totally lost..and there's probably fault on both sides for that..and it's a shame..because we do need to listen to why it happened..bur people became too shocked to listen

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I wanted opinions...Im not upset or annoyed that you or anyone else does not share my view...I respect you for it.
I can see the bigger picture here, one officer in the middle of a riot made a racist comment.... Thats it.

Unbelievable. You gotta love racist people.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=King_Anton;5051265]You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as

Don't try to second guess what im thinking....
99.9% of rioters didn't have a clue why they did it... Im well aware of social issues but the riots did nothing but reaffirm what some believe that they are the 'dregs of society'.