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Originally Posted by lostalex

oh plz, the problem is not bush or blair or the wars, the problem is their culture. they have the education level of the average American 8 year old, 80% illeteracy. These are not people we are dealing with, these are brainwashed zombies. brainwashed by Islam.

That's why so much of our (NATO) mission has been about education and building schools and hospitals and democratic institutions. the only way to fight them is to try to educate the people. That's why they target schools!

Tony Blair didn't make these people ignorant and brainwashed, Militant Islam and arab culture did.
the vast majority of deaths in these wars are from suicide bombers, roadsidebombs(IEDS) and the taliban using civilian positions to attack.

They literally position themselves among women and children so that they can use civilian deaths as propaganda afterwards. Don't be dumb enuf to fall for it. Every woman and child killed in this war is by their own design.

you cannot blame Blair for brainwashed islamic militants.

Taleban? Which war are you talking about here?

And your language is just pretty much that of Imperialists 100/200 years ago; these non-whites are too dumb to manage their own affairs, they need us to come and show them what to do, because really we've set such a good example haven't we? It's not like we funded the Taleban when it was the Soviets they were fighting, it's not like we've replaced their rule in Afghanistan, and Saddam's rule in Iraq, with a corrupt government, it's not like we've brought war and devastation to their countries is it? How about you don't be dumb enough to fall for the West = good, Middle east = bad, binary view of the world and think everything we're doing there is out of the goodness of our hearts and strictly for their benefit

And if you think Arabs are too dumb to govern themselves or decide what they want then where have you been the last 2 years? Have you been completely oblivious to people in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Yemen etc. etc. who have been able to rise up against their corrupt governments, some of whom had the backing of the West - remember Mubarak, Hilary Clinton's "family friend"?