[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

although saying that, isnt Elton John married?

In the eyes of God? yes. In the eyes of the Crown? no.

Just civil partners.

[Niamh.]

Out of curiosity, what rights do married couples have that civil partnershipped (?) couples don't?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Out of curiosity, what rights do married couples have that civil partnershipped (?) couples don't?

..so far as I know civil partnerships have all of the same rights which is why it seems stupid that gay couples are not allowed to get married..it's can't be the same to say..'this is my civil partner..'

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Out of curiosity, what rights do married couples have that civil partnershipped (?) couples don't?

why does it matter?

Is it okay to have a separate drinking fountain for blacks as long as the water is just as clean?? of course not. separate is not equal.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why does it matter?

Is it fine to have a separate drinking fountain for blacks as long as the water is just as clean??

Get over yourself fgs. That's exactly what Niamh is saying. What difference is there between marriage and civil partnership? None. So, the only difference is the word "married".

[Niamh.]

It doesn't matter Alex, don't be so touchy, I was just wondering

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..so far as I know civil partnerships have all of the same rights which is why it seems stupid that gay couples are not allowed to get married..it's can't be the same to say..'this is my civil partner..'

so do you also think it was stupid for black people to want to drink from the same fountains as white people?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Get over yourself fgs. That's exactly what Niamh is saying. What difference is there between marriage and civil partnership? None. So, the only difference is the word "married".

so then you also see no problem with black people drinking from separate water fountains, aslong as it's clean water it doesn't matter right??

are you actually saying you don't see the problem?? REALLY?

GET OVER MYSELF?? I DON'T SAY WHAT I SAY FOR MYSELF, I SAY WHAT I SAY FOR EVERY GAY KID THAT ISN'T HERE TO SAY IT FOR THEMSELF.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It doesn't matter Alex, don't be so touchy, I was just wondering

it matters to me. if it doesn't matter to you then why do you care?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it matters to me. if it doesn't matter to you then why do you care?

Don't be so rude Alex, I just wanted to know if there was a difference between the two things. Please don't try to make out that I had some ulterior motive for asking the question........I didn't.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Don't be so rude Alex, I just wanted to know if there was a difference between the two things. Please don't try to make out that I had some ulterior motive for asking the question........I didn't.

excuse me, don't talk to me about being rude when i'm dealing with people here who think that i don't deserve the same rights as anyone else.

people that tell me i should be happy with separate but equal.


Don't talk to me about RUDE when i don't have equal rights, okay, because civility goes out the window when i'm treated like a second class citizen.

don't expect me to be civil when i'm dealing with people that say i'm not entitled to MY CIVIL RIGHTS. comprende?

you expect me to be civil to people who think it's okay to say that i should just be grateful for "tolerance" sorry, but no, i don't accept that.

[Shaun]

The difference really is religious equality. Loads of people make the point that gay people shouldn't want to get married if the church is so against the idea, and even though I'm an atheist, there's really no reason why the church should still be allowed to discriminate. Especially when it (the Church of England) was formed so some obese womaniser could have a divorce. If gay Christians want to marry there's no real reason not to (unless you draw up Biblical quotes, in which case I could spend all day countering those with similarly daft and outright wicked quotes that should be adhered to in the realms of working on the sabbath, making cloth from separate fabrics and women's rights).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

excuse me, don't talk to me about being rude when i'm dealing with people here who think that i don't deserve the same rights as anyone else.

people that tell me i should be happy with separate but equal.


Don't talk to me about RUDE when i don't have equal rights, okay, because civility goes out the window when i'm treated like a second class citizen.

don't expect me to be ciovil when i'm dealing with people that say i'm not entitled to MY CIVIL rights. comprende?

You were rude to me for no reason. I asked a simple question, do married people have different rights to people in civil partnerships?. I asked it because I didn't know the answer, not because I was trying to imply that gay people should be happy about it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The difference really is religious equality. Loads of people make the point that gay people shouldn't want to get married if the church is so against the idea, and even though I'm an atheist, there's really no reason why the church should still be allowed to discriminate. Especially when it (the Church of England) was formed so some obese womaniser could have a divorce. If gay Christians want to marry there's no real reason not to (unless you draw up Biblical quotes, in which case I could spend all day countering those with similarly daft and outright wicked quotes that should be adhered to in the realms of working on the sabbath, making cloth from separate fabrics and women's rights).

Millions of gay people are already married in the church. this isn't a religious issue. MIllions of gay people already get married in their churches, no problem. The government doesn't seem to have a problem with that.


In the eyes of God, millions of gay people are already married, we are talking about the the eyes of the government though, not God.

[Tom4784]

Constantly going to extremes does nothing for your argument Alex. Segregation and Civil partnerships are two different things and comparing them seems a little desperate on your part.

Civil Partnerships and marriage offer the same benefits, a gay couple can choose to use the same venue as a straight couple, they can use the same caterers ETC and they have the same rights as straight couples. The only difference is the name which is a pointless thing to get upset about. Civil partnerships and Segregation share nothing in common.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You were rude to me for no reason. I asked a simple question, do married people have different rights to people in civil partnerships?. I asked it because I didn't know the answer, not because I was trying to imply that gay people should be happy about it.

i wasn't rude to you, i explained it to you. I made no personal attack on you niamh, and you know i like you, but when you ask a question that sounds like it's out of the 1960's i'll respond to you appropriately.

separate is not equal, that's what i said to you, it wasn't rude and i didn't attack you personally, so i'd like to know why you got offended by what i said.

[Vanessa]

I support gay marriage. Gay people should be able to get married everywhere. It's a shame that some countries still don't allow it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so then you also see no problem with black people drinking from separate water fountains, aslong as it's clean water it doesn't matter right??

are you actually saying you don't see the problem?? REALLY?

GET OVER MYSELF?? I DON'T SAY WHAT I SAY FOR MYSELF, I SAY WHAT I SAY FOR EVERY GAY KID THAT ISN'T HERE TO SAY IT FOR THEMSELF.

Considering the only thing that differentiates the two is the word "MARRIAGE" and plenty gay people continue to use that terminology regardless NO, I don't think it matters. There are far more important things in the world than PC fricking terminology.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Constantly going to extremes does nothing for your argument Alex. Segregation and Civil partnerships are two different things and comparing them seems a little desperate on your part.

Civil Partnerships and marriage offer the same benefits, a gay couple can choose to use the same venue as a straight couple, they can use the same caterers ETC and they have the same rights as straight couples. The only difference is the name which is a pointless thing to get upset about. Civil partnerships and Segregation share nothing in common.

going to extremes?

you just proved what i just said. so why do black people need to driunk from the same fountains as whites? it's the same clean water right? so why are they trying to drink from OUR fountains???

tell me why. IF you don't know why it's offensive to have separate drinking fountains, well, jesus, you don't know much.

Having a different set of rules, no matter how equivelent, doesn't change the fact that it's separate, it's no different then having separate drinking fountains.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

considering the only thing that differentiates the two is the word "marriage" and plenty gay people continue to use that terminology regardless no, i don't think it matters. There are far more important things in the world than pc fricking terminology.

if it doesn't matter then why is it separate????

you are wrong. there is nothing more important in the world than equal rights. You are a disgusting bigot to say to me that there are more important things in the world than MY equal rights. how dare you.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i wasn't rude to you, i explained it to you. I made no personal attack on you niamh, and you know i like you, but when you ask a question that sounds like it's out of the 1960's i'll respond to you appropriately.

separate is not equal, that's what i said to you, it wasn't rude and i didn't attack you personally, so i'd like to know why you got offended by what i said.

A question that sounds like it's from the 1960's? Why would you expect everyone to know what rights couples who are in civil partnerships have, if they're not in one themselves? Why would I know that?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Constantly going to extremes does nothing for your argument Alex. Segregation and Civil partnerships are two different things and comparing them seems a little desperate on your part.

Civil Partnerships and marriage offer the same benefits, a gay couple can choose to use the same venue as a straight couple, they can use the same caterers ETC and they have the same rights as straight couples. The only difference is the name which is a pointless thing to get upset about. Civil partnerships and Segregation share nothing in common.

The word 'segregation' means to separate two groups of people. Calling straight people married and homosexuals civil partners is an, admittedly small, but still an unfair, distinction.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

going to extremes?

you just proved what i just said. so why do black people need to driunk from the same fountains as whites? it's the same clean water right? so why are they trying to drink from OUR fountains???

tell me why. IF you don't know why it's offensive to have separate drinking fountains, well, jesus, you don't know much.

Having a different set of rules, no matter how equivelent, doesn't change the fact that it's separate, it's no different then having separate drinking fountains.

It's not different at all though, Gay people aren't forced to get married at 'gays only' locations or places seperate from straight couples and they get access to the same things as straight couples do. Everything's the same apart from the name. It's not segregation at all and you're just using hyperbole and bad examples to force your argument across.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

if it doesn't matter then why is it separate????

you are wrong. there is nothing more important in the world than equal rights. You are a disgusting bigot to say to me that there are more important things in the world than MY equal rights. how dare you.

Why the feck are you asking me? Do I make the damn law?

I'm sick of being made out to be some kind of King Herod to your Jesus. All that I'm saying is, is it worth getting into such a state over TERMINOLOGY.

I agree with the other poster, comparing it to these other things is very desperate. If gays weren't allowed any kind of partnership full stop I'd see where you're coming from. Otherwise, I think you're overreacting.

The difference in terminology for gay people DOES NOT equate to the segregation of black people in past societies.

DO NOT call me a disgusting bigot. I NEVER said your rights aren't important. I stressed that you are getting irate over TERMINOLOGY.

Gay people can get married and HAVE THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS. It's just given a different title. Of course there's more important issues to address in the world than a title.

Again, if you can refrain from using personal insults when debating I'd happily answer your questions. Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a bigot. Stop victimising yourself and engage in a discussion without using insults.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so do you also think it was stupid for black people to want to drink from the same fountains as white people?

..I'm not sure how you come to that from my post...as far as I'm aware civil partnerships have the same legal rights as marriages therefore gay marriages should be made legal as saying you have a civil partner is not quite the same as saying you have a spouse..it seems stupid to not make it legal to have a marriage rather than a civil partnership