[toronto_matt]

some people are so dense, dont bother trying to reason with them. your right. Deana is mature and considerate enough to ACTUALLY say sorry to people when she sees they have been upset. funny how deana never got any such respect or apologies over the last 2 months. again... she was a doormat

[kefln]

Originally Posted by SuziBooo

She has become a bully I'm sorry to say. She singling out Luke S, now I'm not a fan of his but leave the guy alone Deena! Shes shooting her self in the foot.

She's half his size, he puts himself forward like an Alpha male, in what way is he being bullied!

The man has sailed through BB surrounded by his yes-men comrades, meanwhile she has had over half of the house pick on her regularly for two months.

In the end all she has done is remind him of the button and make fun of his "golden ticket", a majorly light ribbing at best.

Its one on one. If he has an issue with it why hasn't he said it too her? Not just cry in the DR and show sad faces to Ash?

In the toast argument between Deana and Ash, Deana had no problems calling Ash out for running and bitching to the rest of the group. The same when Becky was making faces behind Deana's back in the bedroom, she had no problem tackling her, despite knowing Becky would go running and bitching.

The word "bully" is used way to often. When a group picks on one person, thats bullying. When someone with a size advantage picks on someone, then its bullying. When someone with a greater intellect picks on someone, then its bullying.

If someone is giving another person a ribbing over something like having a "free pass". Then its just a ribbing...

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by kefln

She's half his size, he puts himself forward like an Alpha male, in what way is he being bullied!


The word "bully" is used way to often. When a group picks on one person, thats bullying. When someone with a size advantage picks on someone, then its bullying. When someone with a greater intellect picks on someone, then its bullying.

I'm with you on most of that, but having a greater intellect shouldn't exclude you from having a go otherwise, Deana, Luke A and Adam are going to have to spend the rest of Big Brother sat in silence...... In fact they daren't even sleeptalk!

[jet]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

some people are so dense, dont bother trying to reason with them. your right. Deana is mature and considerate enough to ACTUALLY say sorry to people when she sees they have been upset. funny how deana never got any such respect or apologies over the last 2 months. again... she was a doormat

Deana - mature and considerate? LOL She only apologized because Luke A talked her into it and then she turns around and does the same thing all over again. Some people are so dense.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

She's half his size, he puts himself forward like an Alpha male, in what way is he being bullied!

The man has sailed through BB surrounded by his yes-men comrades, meanwhile she has had over half of the house pick on her regularly for two months.

In the end all she has done is remind him of the button and make fun of his "golden ticket", a majorly light ribbing at best.

Its one on one. If he has an issue with it why hasn't he said it too her? Not just cry in the DR and show sad faces to Ash?

In the toast argument between Deana and Ash, Deana had no problems calling Ash out for running and bitching to the rest of the group. The same when Becky was making faces behind Deana's back in the bedroom, she had no problem tackling her, despite knowing Becky would go running and bitching.

The word "bully" is used way to often. When a group picks on one person, thats bullying. When someone with a size advantage picks on someone, then its bullying. When someone with a greater intellect picks on someone, then its bullying.

If someone is giving another person a ribbing over something like having a "free pass". Then its just a ribbing...

That must be why she is no longer the favourite to win.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

I'm with you on most of that, but having a greater intellect shouldn't exclude you from having a go otherwise, Deana, Luke A and Adam are going to have to spend the rest of Big Brother sat in silence...... In fact they daren't even sleeptalk!

I meant that people who are obviously smarter and use their intellect to bully, simply by out thinking or being condescending in a horrible way.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by jet

That must be why she is no longer the favourite to win.

If she was worried about winning, I'd imagine that she'd be doing alot more fence sitting and playing the "victim", rather than taking the fight to the biggest guy in the house...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by jet

Deana - mature and considerate? LOL She only apologized because Luke A talked her into it and then she turns around and does the same thing all over again. Some people are so dense.

She felt bad after Luke A talked to her, she actually said "I feel bad now". And she apologised straight away.

The "Charlie" thing started later. And again its all to his face, just like her "robot" joke.

But when you compared it to the other names that have been thrown around the house, such as "wooden spoon" or "cheese face". These were all behind peoples backs.

Spot the difference?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

some people are so dense, dont bother trying to reason with them. your right. Deana is mature and considerate enough to ACTUALLY say sorry to people when she sees they have been upset. funny how deana never got any such respect or apologies over the last 2 months. again... she was a doormat

She said sorry then started it all over again. She clearly wasn't sorry

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jet

Deana - mature and considerate? LOL She only apologized because Luke A talked her into it and then she turns around and does the same thing all over again. Some people are so dense.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

And from this dialogue, would it be fair to assume that as Conor remained your favourite without ever even apologising to Deana, the fact that when less angry, Deana actually apologised to Luke S, would suggest that she doesn't deserve to be villified because of her outburst?

No. The way Deana treated Luke S is still wrong. And why did she say sorry, only for then carry on goading Luke S? What's the pint of that apology?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Right! who did I pass that crown for most ridiculous post on the forum to?....I need it back for vanessa

Ridiculous only because i don't agree with you.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by InOne

She said sorry then started it all over again. She clearly wasn't sorry

She said sorry about slagging him over the button and a few hours later she started slagging him over the free pass. Not exactly the same thing, but both to his face, in the open and in front of others.

He's a big boy, if he can't take a little ribbing...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kefln

She said sorry about slagging him over the button and a few hours later she started slagging him over the free pass. Not exactly the same thing, but both to his face, in the open and in front of others.

He's a big boy, if he can't take a little ribbing...

Still doesn't make sense to say sorry to do the same kind of thing again though, whichever way you try to twist it.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

No. The way Deana treated Luke S is still wrong. And why did she say sorry, only for then carry on goading Luke S? What's the pint of that apology?

Some light ribbing to his ego? If he can't handle that...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kefln

Some light ribbing to his ego? If he can't handle that...

It was ribbing the first time. Then it came very close to bullying. She's very cruel and enjoys hurting others.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It was ribbing the first time. Then it came very close to bullying. She's very cruel and enjoys hurting others.

No different to Conor then

[kefln]

Originally Posted by InOne

Still doesn't make sense to say sorry to do the same kind of thing again though, whichever way you try to twist it.

Its not twisting, in anyway shape or form...

Slagging #1: Said in company, while laughing, topic: not pressing the button faster. Which was the topic that had dominated most of the conversations of the day.

Slagging #2: Said in company, while laughing, topic: the free pass to the final. Something that he has admitted to being happy with, despite being p*ssed at not winning the money.

Both of these have been said in the open, in front of people, not behind his back.

Far worse has been said in that house and most of it behind peoples back. The problem here isn't whats being said, its that for the first time Luke S is being challenged and not by another Alpha, but by someone half his size. He just doesn't seem to know how to react.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

No different to Conor then

I never said she was worse than Conor. Just that she's as bitchy as backstabbing as most of them. And last night proved it.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It was ribbing the first time. Then it came very close to bullying. She's very cruel and enjoys hurting others.

Thats your opinion and not really based on facts.

And compared to some of the other things said in that house...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kefln

Thats your opinion and not really based on facts.

And compared to some of the other things said in that house...

Yes, it's only my opinion. I have to be honest. I don't like her at all!

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I never said she was worse than Conor. Just that she's as bitchy as backstabbing as most of them. And last night proved it.

How come you're only hating on Deana then when Conor was your favourite and his behaviour was far worse than a few teasing comments.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

How come you're only hating on Deana then when Conor was your favourite and his behaviour was far worse than a few teasing comments.

I'm angry with the way she's acting recently. I used to like her before. But hse has changed too much for me.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kefln

If she was worried about winning, I'd imagine that she'd be doing alot more fence sitting and playing the "victim", rather than taking the fight to the biggest guy in the house...

She didn't take the fight to the biggest guy in the house - that was Conor and she didn't take any fight to him. Luke A is a sensitive, gentle kind of guy - many here call him a 'wuss' so he is far from a threat.
By the way, in the new task Luke S helps Deana to remove her boots and lets her go first into the tunnel like a gentleman. Adam was long gone and Luke A helped Luke S get out of his costume and didn't even glance at Deana to see if she needed any help. Luke S is forgiving and kind - not vindictive like Deana.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm angry with the way she's acting recently. I used to like her before. But hse has changed too much for me.

Still not really answering my question but i'll leave it because I don't want to argue with you