[Kizzy]

History aside for a moment, in The UK today there is not in my opinion discrimination towards white males.
There is however a case for positive discrimination in the workplace for ethnic minority groups, LGBT groups, women and disabled individuals.
Companies are now encouraged to, via equal opportunities, to be more represented by minority groups.
This could be seen as discrimination, it is however making sure the workforce in the UK is more representative in society.
I fail to see how women are seen to come out as benefitting more than men, almost 40 years after the Equal Pay Act it's still to be implamented in most sectors......

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

History aside for a moment, in The UK today there is not in my opinion discrimination towards white males.
There is however a case for positive discrimination in the workplace for ethnic minority groups, LGBT groups, women and disabled individuals.
Companies are now encouraged to, via equal opportunities, to be more represented by minority groups.
This could be seen as discrimination, it is however making sure the workforce in the UK is more representative in society.
I fail to see how women are seen to come out as benefitting more than men, almost 40 years after the Equal Pay Act it's still to be implamented in most sectors......

Thats because you have simply ignored all of the information that counters your opinion here. There are an infinite number of examples where women are allowed carte blanche to say anything they like about men and get away with it, whether its a sick joke or deemining or even a false accusation...men on the other hand say one say about a female lineswoman and they lose their career and their family home. thats just 1 tiny example. the major examples are in the male suicides, broken homes, the failure to educate boys, the lack of support systems for men compared to women, the loss of their homes and families and life savings in the vast majority of divorce caes, the fact men die so much younger worldwide etc Id suggest if you want any credibility you seriously consider these issues affecting men

As for your other points. Women have hijacked the positive discrimination and the assistance for minoroties from disabled people. The percentage of disabled people in work is still miniscule. disabled access is still lacking too in vast numbers of places.
I know all about disabled adaptions to vehicles as i take wheelchair bound customers in my buses etc The charge for these people is a national disgrace. webbing alone to clamp down wheelchairs properly can run to £1500 then electric tail lifts instaled can run to £3000 thats just the start. its a massive racket. I have enormous sympathy for these disabled people, they are a real true minority who not only suffer real discrimination unlike the make believe stuff many of these women complain about. they receive verbal and physical bullying and suffer emotional and physical problems plus financial difficulties as they often cant find work. they truly have a huge cross to bare

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Thats because you have simply ignored all of the information that counters your opinion here. There are an infinite number of examples where women are allowed carte blanche to say anything they like about men and get away with it, whether its a sick joke or deemining or even a false accusation...men on the other hand say one say about a female lineswoman and they lose their career and their family home. thats just 1 tiny example. the major examples are in the male suicides, broken homes, the failure to educate boys, the lack of support systems for men compared to women, the loss of their homes and families and life savings in the vast majority of divorce caes, the fact men die so much younger worldwide etc Id suggest if you want any credibility you seriously consider these issues affecting men

As for your other points. Women have hijacked the positive discrimination and the assistance for minoroties from disabled people. The percentage of disabled people in work is still miniscule. disabled access is still lacking too in vast numbers of places.
I know all about disabled adaptions to vehicles as i take wheelchair bound customers in my buses etc The charge for these people is a national disgrace. webbing alone to clamp down wheelchairs properly can run to £1500 then electric tail lifts instaled can run to £3000 thats just the start. its a massive racket. I have enormous sympathy for these disabled people, they are a real true minority who not only suffer real discrimination unlike the make believe stuff many of these women complain about. they receive verbal and physical bullying and suffer emotional and physical problems plus financial difficulties as they often cant find work. they truly have a huge cross to bare

I ignored nothing...I gave my opinion on this topic is all.
If you don't like it that is your issue not mine.
I do not agree women are allowed to ride roughshod over men as you seem to be implying, and I would have said boys have exactly the same rights to education as girls.
It is frustrating that there are fewer job opportunities for the disabled, maybe if Mr Cameron had not scaled down remploy and the ATOS assement

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I ignored nothing...I gave my opinion on this topic is all.
If you don't like it that is your issue not mine.
I do not agree women are allowed to ride roughshod over men as you seem to be implying, and I would have said boys have exactly the same rights to education as girls.
It is frustrating that there are fewer job opportunities for the disabled, maybe if Mr Cameron had not scaled down remploy and the ATOS assement

Its been proved that education and primary and junior levels massively favours girls, especially as 90% are female teachers and the gap grows every year. The boys have less and less chance and we end up with enormous problems with young men , many of whom lack the basics of being able to read and write propelry, let alone a decent education.

Then we wonder why we have millions of angry young men who cant find work and we see drug use, alcohol abuse, violence and suicide sky rocket in young men, who kill themselves at 4 times the rate of women (A factor no one on here has the integroty to address). we then ignore this massive problem ruthlessly, we patronize these young men and tell them its a male problem all this suicide because men dont talk enough? well guess what? theres no institutions and support networks in place to listen to them and help them as there are for women. so what else do we do? recruit the poor and the uneducated boys for another futile war just as we have always done. dont worry boys youll come back depressed maybe lose a limb and suffering mental health problems for life. we will ignore you and keep every military hospital closed. mans world , what a sick joke.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Its been proved that education and primary and junior levels massively favours girls, especially as 90% are female teachers and the gap grows every year. The boys have less and less chance and we end up with enormous problems with young men , many of whom lack the basics of being able to read and write propelry, let alone a decent education.

Then we wonder why we have millions of angry young men who cant find work and we see drug use, alcohol abuse, violence and suicide sky rocket in young men, who kill themselves at 4 times the rate of women (A factor no one on here has the integroty to address). we then ignore this massive problem ruthlessly, we patronize these young men and tell them its a male problem all this suicide because men dont talk enough? well guess what? theres no institutions and support networks in place to listen to them and help them as there are for women. so what else do we do? recruit the poor and the uneducated boys for another futile war just as we have always done. dont worry boys youll come back depressed maybe lose a limb and suffering mental health problems for life. we will ignore you and keep every military hospital closed. mans world , what a sick joke.

Firstly, can I say If you have proof that one gender is favoured over another you post
a link to this?
I have no idea why more young men choose not to go into teaching as there are no incentives for women over men as far as I know and they would be welcomed as positive male role models in some areas....
Socialization may have a part to play in why girls do better in schools than boys?
Peer pressure I would say plays a big part in that in inner city areas.
Children are now to stay at school or college till 18, they are encouraged much more now than ever before.
And having the 'integrity' to mention suicide rates of young men it is not right or fair to suggest that by not raising this members are ignorant to the plight of men affected...
There is a lot of help and information for men who are depressed due to many personal, social or mental issues.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Firstly, can I say If you have proof that one gender is favoured over another you post
a link to this?
I have no idea why more young men choose not to go into teaching as there are no incentives for women over men as far as I know and they would be welcomed as positive male role models in some areas....
Socialization may have a part to play in why girls do better in schools than boys?
Peer pressure I would say plays a big part in that in inner city areas.
Children are now to stay at school or college till 18, they are encouraged much more now than ever before.
And having the 'integrity' to mention suicide rates of young men it is not right or fair to suggest that by not raising this members are ignorant to the plight of men affected...
There is a lot of help and information for men who are depressed due to many personal, social or mental issues.

can you prvide back up for all your claims here and throughout this thread? There is very little support and help for males in any of these situations. Clearly in male dominated profressions we have seen years of peer pressure and legislation brought in to redress the balance. yet not with teaching of children? are you in favour of positive discrimination or quota systems so only men can apply for certain teaching positions?

as regards the fact men work long longer and achieve more in a vast number of career paths, there are a lot of reasons, sadly this hasnt been studied properly because the analysis has been hujacked by the hysteria of the millitant feminists. straight honest truth and facts need to be addressed.

the fact is the overall male wage is higher than women over the whole nation because overall men have worked longer and harder in far more career areas. the solution according to feminists is to denigrade all men for this. wrong. the only solution is for women to become better and to work harder and yes to try and allow them an opportunity to share their paternal duties. this has been damaged as the family courts are so biased towards mothers, they in effect close out fathers. the end result, everyone loses, the fathers, the children, the grandparents and the mother herself....this is the problem that grows when the culture and the law is biased towards one sex. the law must be fair , balanced and blind to gender

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

can you prvide back up for all your claims here and throughout this thread? There is very little support and help for males in any of these situations. Clearly in male dominated profressions we have seen years of peer pressure and legislation brought in to redress the balance. yet not with teaching of children? are you in favour of positive discrimination or quota systems so only men can apply for certain teaching positions?

as regards the fact men work long longer and achieve more in a vast number of career paths, there are a lot of reasons, sadly this hasnt been studied properly because the analysis has been hujacked by the hysteria of the millitant feminists. straight honest truth and facts need to be addressed.

the fact is the overall male wage is higher than women over the whole nation because overall men have worked longer and harder in far more career areas. the solution according to feminists is to denigrade all men for this. wrong. the only solution is for women to become better and to work harder and yes to try and allow them an opportunity to share their paternal duties. this has been damaged as the family courts are so biased towards mothers, they in effect close out fathers. the end result, everyone loses, the fathers, the children, the grandparents and the mother herself....this is the problem that grows when the culture and the law is biased towards one sex. the law must be fair , balanced and blind to gender

I cannot post links as you know,
firstly, there was a government initiative announced recently, with I think it was 2mill of funding to aid men at risk of suicide.
Theres a thread mentioning it somewhere...I even think you commented in it.
secondly, I do agree with positive discrimination for men in primary schools, as annie touched on, there were news reports that in certain areas it was found that men were under represented.
Boys need positive role models and men were encouraged to teach at primary level.
What is putting men off..... accusations of abuse maybe?
Thirdly, What 'studies' were hijacked?...
If the outcome of a study is not attractive to you to suggest it is biased is wrong.
If two men applied for the same position,same hours, same duties and responsibilities you would expect them to be paid equally?
Why you have a hard time accepting women are as capable as men I have no idea, of course there are sectors that men are disproportionate to women and visa-versa.
lastly, I would say there does need to be an overhaul of the family courts.
When couples who are unmarried split it is very difficult for the dad to get access and this is wrong.
They emphasis is placed on getting money from the father rather maintaining contact with the children.
Unless there is a domestic violence issue then contact should be the main concern.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

History aside for a moment, in The UK today there is not in my opinion discrimination towards white males.
There is however a case for positive discrimination in the workplace for ethnic minority groups, LGBT groups, women and disabled individuals.
Companies are now encouraged to, via equal opportunities, to be more represented by minority groups.
This could be seen as discrimination, it is however making sure the workforce in the UK is more representative in society.
I fail to see how women are seen to come out as benefitting more than men, almost 40 years after the Equal Pay Act it's still to be implamented in most sectors......

the only reason they falsely claim men get paid more is by working out the career averages over a lifetime, where men overall will work for longer and more hours and due to this reason alone will end up rogressing slightly further on pay scales. there is barely any evidence of anyone illegally paying a man more for the identical work as a woman. in cases where it happens the law is there to protect them. however in truth, most jobs pay varies according to the quality of work produced as well as its reliability and how much profit it makes companies. Theres certain work women simply barley do at all...how many women plumbers, engineers, electricians, even basic jobs like gardening or paining and decorating or garden clearances? If women want to start these businesses I suggest they quit complaining and get off their backsides lose the chip on both shoulders and do it, like the rest of the entrepreneurs out there.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

the only reason they falsely claim men get paid more is by working out the career averages over a lifetime, where men overall will work for longer and more hours and due to this reason alone will end up rogressing slightly further on pay scales. there is barely any evidence of anyone illegally paying a man more for the identical work as a woman. in cases where it happens the law is there to protect them. however in truth, most jobs pay varies according to the quality of work produced as well as its reliability and how much profit it makes companies. Theres certain work women simply barley do at all...how many women plumbers, engineers, electricians, even basic jobs like gardening or paining and decorating or garden clearances? If women want to start these businesses I suggest they quit complaining and get off their backsides lose the chip on both shoulders and do it, like the rest of the entrepreneurs out there.

That is wrong, there is cases of council workers in yorkshire being found to be paid less.
I am not able to post links atm, but I assure you there is evidence of discrimination there.
There are traditionally male dominated professions... I don't understand what that has to do with this discussion?
However, the women in these jobs are as qualified as males in their professions obviously.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

That is wrong, there is cases of council workers in yorkshire being found to be paid less.
I am not able to post links atm, but I assure you there is evidence of discrimination there.
There are traditionally male dominated professions... I don't understand what that has to do with this discussion?
However, the women in these jobs are as qualified as males in their professions obviously.

If that is true , they have the law on their side and can fight to get compensation, end of.

No doubt there are cases where women are paid more than men, yet this type of story is not part of the militant feminist agenda.