[arista]

Originally Posted by JingleHorse95

That's one example.

Its more than example
it Proves the Young Lad
who can sing and play Acoustic Guitar
is picked up by a wise record label.
And BBC1 breakfast used him to perform this morning Live
as the CD proved to their BBC Breakfast manager/producer
he is a Star.


And No X Factor anyplace near him.

[Stu]

I think in regards to the industry the internet is a much bigger factor. It makes it much, much harder to make money from music and at the same time allows more people than ever to make, release and consume all manner of music. Something which often goes under appreciated.

To be honest I think it's the mind that the X Factor has helped tarnish. It's poisoned music culture far more than the business. True great music will always exist but the face of music is the X Factor, really. It's making the loudest noise and reaching the biggest audience. And, crucially, it's just monstrously boring stuff. Dull people singing dull songs about absolutely nothing. It can earn some sort of merit as being a good exercise in vocal, sure, but it aint art kids.

Public Image made art when they stayed up all night zonked on speed writing the albums that would come to typify the post punk movement. Ian Curtis made art when he poured his battered soul on to paper. This stuff to me is what music is. Little Johnny Joe from next-door-to-everybody isn't making art because he stood in a cue and belted out a tune someone handed to him because his gran fancies he has a pretty lovely voice.

I just don't know why people bother. You get people watching it as just another entertainment show and ... whatever, like ... but these people who year after year get sucked into it and become fans of the acts perplex me to no end.

You're going to die someday. Why waste precious hours on devotion to such a frivolous parade of spastics.

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

My way of looking at the x factor and other reality shows is that they're just part of an era of modern culture, so like in the 2040s people will look back on the 00s/10s and remember the times when we used to vote for people on tv.

But talent shows are a dying breed so I cant see them lasting any longer than 2019 at the most.

And they'll come back like Boy bands have recently.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Stu

I think in regards to the industry the internet is a much bigger factor. It makes it much, much harder to make money from music and at the same time allows more people than ever to make, release and consume all manner of music. Something which often goes under appreciated.

To be honest I think it's the mind that the X Factor has helped tarnish. It's poisoned music culture far more than the business. True great music will always exist but the face of music is the X Factor, really. It's making the loudest noise and reaching the biggest audience. And, crucially, it's just monstrously boring stuff. Dull people singing dull songs about absolutely nothing. It can earn some sort of merit as being a good exercise in vocal, sure, but it aint art kids.

Public Image made art when they stayed up all night zonked on speed writing the albums that would come to typify the post punk movement. Ian Curtis made art when he poured his battered soul on to paper. This stuff to me is what music is. Little Johnny Joe from next-door-to-everybody isn't making art because he stood in a cue and belted out a tune someone handed to him because his gran fancies he has a pretty lovely voice.

I just don't know why people bother. You get people watching it as just another entertainment show and ... whatever, like ... but these people who year after year get sucked into it and become fans of the acts perplex me to no end.

You're going to die someday. Why waste precious hours on devotion to such a frivolous parade of spastics.

I know it's politically incorrect, but I literally burst out laughing at this sentence.

[Stu]

I really hope we're not due another indie wave, either. I want my next evolution of electronic music and a third summer of love. Some sort of shock electro tribal revival. Not The Lads with their daft riffs and reductive lyrics .

Someone should really get up and see through post punks mission to destroy rock music because by and large it sucks.

[InOne]

Well, doesn't have to be Indie. I meant more when a big band comes along. I'm rubbish at keeping up with new music though at the moment, and with the new stuff I tend to dislike more than I like.

[Stu]

Yeah I'm clueless as to what's happening nowadays. That's why I rely on A God Awful Small Affair to keep me in the know.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yeah I'm clueless as to what's happening nowadays. That's why I rely on A God Awful Small Affair to keep me in the know.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I don't give a rat's arse whether or not an X Factor act gets the xmas #1. That doesn't mean anything.

In terms of the music industry in general though, Alexandra Burke/JLS/One Direction/Olly Murs/Little Mix etc have poisoned the charts but who is more to blame are the likes of will.i.am/Lady GaGa/Pitbull/Flo Rida/David Guetta/RedOne.

You named a bunch of people notorious for generic dance music and then listed Gaga among them? I get you don't like her but it doesn't really add up having her in there. Her music does not appeal to everyone but I think she's brought something "different" to the chart (even if it was all done 20 years ago)

The others I can understand though. I just don't get why Gaga would be there when she hasn't "poisoned" the charts any less than a pop star such as Rihanna or Katy has (plenty hate their music but would probably still blame XF/the other generics that you listed for the music decline)

[InOne]

How has GaGa brought anything different to the charts? All her songs are generic pop.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Dongle

You named a bunch of people notorious for generic dance music and then listed Gaga among them? I get you don't like her but it doesn't really add up having her in there. Her music does not appeal to everyone but I think she's brought something "different" to the chart (even if it was all done 20 years ago)

The others I can understand though. I just don't get why Gaga would be there when she hasn't "poisoned" the charts any less than a pop star such as Rihanna or Katy has (plenty hate their music but would probably still blame XF/the other generics that you listed for the music decline)

I just feel that if any other artist was to release her music it would be dismissed as mainstream.

[SocietyIsRuined]

Simon Cowell will be known to future generations as the person who destroyed music. I wouldn't want that legacy but his fame comes with that price.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

How has GaGa brought anything different to the charts? All her songs are generic pop.

To an extent I guess, but most of them contain some stupid pretentious secret message, and then she tried to make it less mainstream and got loads of hate for it LOL

I just think she's a bit out of place in that list of people who have "poisoned" the chart.

If we're talking generic, why didn't he mention Rihanna, Katy Perry, Ke$ha, 1 Direction, Britney Spears, Rita Ora, Tulisa, The Wanted etc etc etc etc etc etc

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

Nope, People on X-Factor work hard, sing each week & only about 5 a year get proper fame, from about 200,000 that apply. So It's just as grusome, if not more so than the music industry. They sing every week & gain fains, about 95% of the time they're all great singers, which can't be said for people in the charts. They're mainly very talented & had to work very hard & stand out to make the live finals, let alone to secure a label

'They sing every week and gain fans'

Exactly. Hardly hard work to get up and sing a sing everyweek and have people vote for you. And saying that people in the charts aren't great singers doesn't make sense to me, considering that pretty much all X Factor singers release chart music.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by JingleHorse95

'They sing every week and gain fans'

Exactly. Hardly hard work to get up and sing a sing everyweek and have people vote for you. And saying that people in the charts aren't great singers doesn't make sense to me, considering that pretty much all X Factor singers release chart music.

X Factor is just as competitive as the music industry, It's so much hard work, of all the people apply, about 1/60,000 get a record deal probably

[Jake.]

Its like a few of my mates are in a band, and they do some smallish gigs, and its just great watching them actually work hard to grow as a band.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndLeona

X Factor is just as competitive as the music industry, It's so much hard work, of all the people apply, about 1/60,000 get a record deal probably

It might be hard for people to have millions loving them, but that doesn't change my opinion that The X Factor is partly ruining the industry.

[King Gizzard]

Most current pop music as a whole has

[arista]

Originally Posted by SocietyIsRuined

Simon Cowell will be known to future generations as the person who destroyed music. I wouldn't want that legacy but his fame comes with that price.

What Utter Bollocks

[King Gizzard]

Care to explain your point instead of just blasting someone's opinion arista?

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

No X Factor moves gigs faster.

This morning on BBC1HD Breakfast
a Young Lad with Acoustic Guitar
writes his own songs and Sings.

Has Nothing to Do with XFactor

He got Signed by the Record label
as he is that good.


So No X Factor is just a Blip in the Cog.


Music Goes on and On
with or without X Factor.


King Simon Likes it all.

There Nat

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Care to explain your point instead of just blasting someone's opinion arista?

You're getting "redundant fixtures we tolerate" and "people capable of being quality posters" mixed up

[SocietyIsRuined]

Arista, music will never die. It can be harmed and damaged as it has been by Cowell. You can see it in his cheesy grin - he's the abomination of desolation. His acts are his minions.

[Kazanne]

Music will never be 'destroyed' it will be around forever ,it's not been harmed or damaged by Simon Cowell or anyone,no one is FORCED to by certain types of music,people buy what they want to whether it's an XFactor act or not,so if something is popular and you dont like it,that's because other people do.

[Stu]

Nobody is forced but these acts are incredibly pervasive. The industry accommodates to style over substance, cheap music that is guaranteed to sell to the point where more boundary pushing, experimental acts are not given a chance on the big stage. This leads to lazy consumers - essentially the base audience for these acts and TV shows - only being exposed to these acts. Their minds not even given the chance to sample something different. They're not going to seek it out themselves because they are the lazy consumers who consume what is handed to them. So nothing grows. It's a sad state of affairs.

I really hate generalizing. Honestly, I do. It makes me feel dirty and pretentious. But I'm always taking the ten people who don't watch the X Factor and buy the end product on my pub quiz team.

I'm dirty and pretentious.