[Jake.]

This is my main opinion (and gripe) with the show. The music industry isn't in the best place as it is (in my opinion), with highly talented artists and bands doing well a rareity (and I say a rareity, but it still happens from time to time. Look at Adele etc). The X Factor gives them a platform. Instead of having to work to get known (like Oasis, The Beatles, you get my drift), they sing for a few weeks and boom, they become popular. Gone are the days where you see artists and bands working their way to the top, and The X Factor doesn't help that. Discuss.

[Princess]

To be fair a lot of the people on X Factor do work hard for years before they go on the show, the fame is just a lot more instant.

[Kazanne]

People will buy what they like,if it's an Xfactor artist,that's how it is,doesn't matter to me how 'long' someone has been in the business,a song will sell if enough people like it and as Princess said,some of these winners have worked long and hard,the Xfactor is just a means to recognition.

[Niamh.]

The thing I hate is that they've completely taken over the Christmas No.1 spot (unless there's some campaign or whatever) It used to be interesting to see who was number one for Christmas and sometimes it was even a Christmas Song..........

[Jake.]

I'm not saying that the actuall music to come from The X Factor is all terrible, it's the means by which the music is released every year come Christmas etc is what bothers me. You have all of these unappreciated artists and bands who spend months and even years on end performing small gigs, that for me is the heart of music. Trying your best to get recognition without going on to a show where straight away everything is manipulated and those who have never sung before are now singing in front of 3000 people, just because they seek fame.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

The thing I hate is that they've completely taken over the Christmas No.1 spot (unless there's some campaign or whatever) It used to be interesting to see who was number one for Christmas and sometimes it was even a Christmas Song..........

100% this

What actually happened to having a good XMas song at number 1?

[Glenn.]

Hallelujah was slightly biblical


Christmas No1 should be a Christmas song.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Santa Claus

Hallelujah was slightly biblical


Christmas No1 should be a Christmas song.

So that's one out of nine

[InOne]

Well, a really really good band comes along about every 5 years. So we're definitely due another Indie wave soon. The last Indie wave was when the internet hadn't really taken off properly, well with downloads and stuff. It's all changed so much over the last 5 or 6 years.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Well, a really really good band comes along about every 5 years. So we're definitely due another Indie wave soon. The last Indie wave was when the internet hadn't really taken off properly, well with downloads and stuff. It's all changed so much over the last 5 or 6 years.

[Saph]

My way of looking at the x factor and other reality shows is that they're just part of an era of modern culture, so like in the 2040s people will look back on the 00s/10s and remember the times when we used to vote for people on tv.

But talent shows are a dying breed so I cant see them lasting any longer than 2019 at the most.

[MusicXian]

Yeah I mean 1 day someone will come up with an idea to let a dog win a national talent show meant for humans...

... Oh wait ...

[Niamh.]

Hey that dog was amazing

[Me. I Am Salman]

I don't give a rat's arse whether or not an X Factor act gets the xmas #1. That doesn't mean anything.

In terms of the music industry in general though, Alexandra Burke/JLS/One Direction/Olly Murs/Little Mix etc have poisoned the charts but who is more to blame are the likes of will.i.am/Lady GaGa/Pitbull/Flo Rida/David Guetta/RedOne.

[Z]

I think so, it's not the cause but it's certainly a large part of the problem. I think it dates back to Popstars and Pop Idol really - that was a time when cheesy 90s music was still popular - Steps, S Club 7 and the like dominated the charts. Popstars documented what these sorts of groups went through to get to where they were for very little return and it's not much wonder that Hear'Say and Liberty X died out with the last of that kind of music. I think Popstars: The Rivals would have been the same were it not for Girls Aloud releasing Sound of the Underground as their debut single, I think that still today remains to be the exception to the rule - I don't know why talent shows have never picked out a new track that packs as much punch as that one for their winners, instead they go down the annoying cover version ballad route every single time. The onslaught of new disposable popstars every Christmas from the X Factor is just flooding the market and ultimately damaging its own brand. They keep launching new popstars for their target audience to care about, and it impacts upon their existing popstars who need support - how many reasonably successful acts have they launched from the X Factor in recent years? Not all of them can get a guest performer spot on the Sunday show, it's such a hollow promise from the X Factor that they are going to find the next star or whatever they claim... they find the next star, or find someone to try and be the next star, for 3 months and then leave them to fend for themselves completely clueless in an unforgiving music industry that either doesn't want to help them because they're seen as a tainted brand already by being an X Factor singer, or they rush to help them because they want to snap up these 'big stars' while they're still clueless about what they're doing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JingleHorse95

This is my main opinion (and gripe) with the show. The music industry isn't in the best place as it is (in my opinion), with highly talented artists and bands doing well a rareity (and I say a rareity, but it still happens from time to time. Look at Adele etc). The X Factor gives them a platform. Instead of having to work to get known (like Oasis, The Beatles, you get my drift), they sing for a few weeks and boom, they become popular. Gone are the days where you see artists and bands working their way to the top, and The X Factor doesn't help that. Discuss.

No X Factor moves gigs faster.

This morning on BBC1HD Breakfast
a Young Lad with Acoustic Guitar
writes his own songs and Sings.

Has Nothing to Do with XFactor

He got Signed by the Record label
as he is that good.


So No X Factor is just a Blip in the Cog.


Music Goes on and On
with or without X Factor.


King Simon Likes it all.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by arista

No X Factor moves gigs faster.

This morning on BBC1HD Breakfast
a Young Lad with Acoustic Guitar
writes his own songs and Sings.

Has Nothing to Do with XFactor

He got Signed by the Record label
as he is that good.


So No X Factor is just a Blip in the Cog.


Music Goes on and On
with or without X Factor.


King Simon Likes it all.

That's one example.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I don't give a rat's arse whether or not an X Factor act gets the xmas #1. That doesn't mean anything.

In terms of the music industry in general though, Alexandra Burke/JLS/One Direction/Olly Murs/Little Mix etc have poisoned the charts but who is more to blame are the likes of will.i.am/Lady GaGa/Pitbull/Flo Rida/David Guetta/RedOne.

Agreed apart from Gaga, I personally respect her because everything she writes is her own and she has a naturally good talent.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JingleHorse95

Agreed apart from Gaga, I personally respect her because everything she writes is her own and she has a naturally good talent.

Yeah I agree about GaGa, I wouldn't say I was a fan necessarily but she is a talented woman no doubt

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Yeah I agree about GaGa, I wouldn't say I was a fan necessarily but she is a talented woman no doubt

Yes pretty much the same, I respect her talents more than anything. Her singing Speechless live a few years back at the royal variety made me realise that she is naturally good at what she does.

[lily.]

To be honest, I hate that reality TV is the platform to fame nowadays, and somehow respect is gained from doing ****-all.

A lot of people look up to these 'reality TV stars' and in my view they haven't done anything to earn it.

It's a sign of the times, but in the past, you actually had to do something noteworthy to achieve fame, but in the past it was less fleeting too.

That's the only upside to the instant fame game... it's often short lived.

I don't think TXF has necessarily tarnished the music industry as there are plenty of other twats out there who didn't come from TXF. What's popular isn't always what's good, and vice versa.

I tend to just listen to and buy the music I like, and I don't much care if it's popular or not. Most of the popular music isn't my cup of tea, and never was, and I'm a kid of the 80s, so TXF can't be blamed for the **** clogging up the charts then. Stock, Aitken & Waterman have to take some responsibility though.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by JingleHorse95

Agreed apart from Gaga, I personally respect her because everything she writes is her own and she has a naturally good talent.

She has a good voice and that's about it. Bad Romance, Edge of Glory, Marry The Night = utter tripe. She tries to be unique and artistic but comes across as a freak I mean what the **** is Judas?

I'm no Madonna fan but it makes me cackle when people say Lady GaGa is better than her. As Jack White rightly pointed out she's all image with no meaning.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Salman!

She has a good voice and that's about it. Bad Romance, Edge of Glory, Marry The Night = utter tripe. She tries to be unique and artistic but comes across as a freak I mean what the **** is Judas?

I'm no Madonna fan but it makes me cackle when people say Lady GaGa is better than her. As Jack White rightly pointed out she's all image with no meaning.

She's a song writer and a musician which is two up on Madonna already tbf

[Me. I Am Salman]

Well the songs she writes are awful.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Nope, People on X-Factor work hard, sing each week & only about 5 a year get proper fame, from about 200,000 that apply. So It's just as grusome, if not more so than the music industry. They sing every week & gain fains, about 95% of the time they're all great singers, which can't be said for people in the charts. They're mainly very talented & had to work very hard & stand out to make the live finals, let alone to secure a label