[Ramsay]

adebayor scored today..what a shock lol. heard it was serious though
draw wasent good enough, really needed a win

[Drew.]

There will be 1 more slip up in the next two games out of Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs.. It'll come down to the final day, will be hard to watch.

[Novo]

Rangers salute Sir Alex and manager Ally McCoist said: "His like may never be seen again. Sir Alex has been a colossus and his achievements might never be surpassed.
"He has been at the very pinnacle of the game for so many years and seemed to get better with age. His defeats always seemed to make him stronger and he always bounced back to reach another height.

"But while his total dedication and intense will to win were always obvious Sir Alex also had a sharp sense of humour. When I heard about his decision I sent him a text saying: ‘Gaffer, I hope this isn’t an over-reaction to Monday’s result when Rangers Legends beat Manchester United Legends 4-1’."

Ally scored twice in that match watched by Sir Alex, who, quick as a flash, sent as text in reply saying: "Ha ha… PS, you were offside."

"Sir Alex, who built team after team, and not only on the pitch, will be sorely missed by the game. Time and again he proved himself a football genius with no equal," Ally added. "We all wish him well, the players, the staff and the fans."

[Shaun]

I think Arsenal should worry the most... their two teams are fighting to avoid relegation. The others have fairly easy/safe teams.

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Just saw this on Twitter, class act by SAF.

He wanted to sign him. It's hardly a letter to an unknown league 3 midfielder.

Can't see Bayern wanting Rooney. He doesn't have the fitness or stamina to play in a pep team, and he is on £220-250k/wk. PSG are the only team that could afford him.

Don't think he's fulfilled his potential tbh. He's won the medals, but does anyone think he's better now than in 04?

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Danny Welbeck will be under pressure to be a goalscorer next season then LOL.

The same Journalist from the Daily Mail who has done the Rooney transfer request story Ian Ladyman was the same person who did an article a few weeks ago saying that WR wanted to stay at United and a new contract. Hmm?

More than one source reported Rooney wants to leave last night. It looks extremely likely.

Also, interestingly, he's now changed his Twitter bio from 'Manchester United player' to 'NikeUK Athlete.'

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Can't see Bayern wanting Rooney. He doesn't have the fitness or stamina to play in a pep team, and he is on £220-250k/wk. PSG are the only team that could afford him.

Don't think he's fulfilled his potential tbh. He's won the medals, but does anyone think he's better now than in 04?

An in form Wayne Rooney could easily play in a Guardiola team. His best form was in 2009/10. Euro 2004 was fantastic, looked a quality young player, however at some stage in 2009/10 he was quite possibly the best player on the planet.

Edit: And he isn't on £250k.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

More than one source reported Rooney wants to leave last night. It looks extremely likely.

Also, interestingly, he's now changed his Twitter bio from 'Manchester United player' to 'NikeUK Athlete.'



An in form Wayne Rooney could easily play in a Guardiola team. His best form was in 2009/10. Euro 2004 was fantastic, looked a quality young player, however at some stage in 2009/10 he was quite possibly the best player on the planet.

Edit: And he isn't on £250k.

Best player on the planet in 09/10? Seriously?

He is on between £220-250k/wk. Where is your evidence that he isn't? He wanted a massive pay rise to compete with what city players were earning at that time. Everyone reported it as £220-250k. Only on this forum (and probably united forums) will you find people playing make believe with sponsors making up his payments.

[Brother Leon]

He's the 4th top scorer of all time for the most succesful English club. If he stays until his 30s not only does he break the record, but he smashes it. Even If he retires today his name goes down next to Best,Charlton,Law. If that isn't meeting potential them he must of been a possible GOAT.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Best player on the planet in 09/10? Seriously?

He is on between £220-250k/wk. Where is your evidence that he isn't? He wanted a massive pay rise to compete with what city players were earning at that time. Everyone reported it as £220-250k. Only on this forum (and probably united forums) will you find people playing make believe with sponsors making up his payments.

Clearly you forget 2009/10. The guy scored 34 goals by mid March. He carried United all season. Phil Thompson, extremely biased Scouser, said at one stage of that season he believed him to be, at that time, the best on the planet.
Rooney was absolutely amazing that campaign. His best season in his whole career. Had he not been injured in Munich in the Champions League quarter final we'd of won the league and stood a good chance of conquering Europe. He was that good.

He is now the highest-paid player at Manchester United, overtaking defender Rio Ferdinand. The striker, who was previously on £90,000 per week, is now understood to be earning a basic salary in excess of £150,000 per week.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-contract.html

It was the media who reported the £150,000 a week. However, it's not as bigger headline as saying he's on £250k. That 'in excess' line is based on clauses.

Also here:

Reports say he will be on a basic of £150-160,000 a week but will more than double that figure through image rights.

Despite the happy ending, United fans will not see Rooney in action for another three weeks because of an ankle injury he picked up in training.

http://news.sky.com/story/813882/its...n-for-utd-fans

He isn't on £250k from United. End of that one. Just something rival fans love to mention when it's wrong.

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

He's the 4th top scorer of all time for the most succesful English club. If he stays until his 30s not only does he break the record, but he smashes it. Even If he retires today his name goes down next to Best,Charlton,Law. If that isn't meeting potential them he must of been a possible GOAT.

I wouldn't put Rooney in the Best, Charlton & Law category at all. Looking from the outside, he's a worse player now than when he broke through, but I don't see his all round play week in week out, so maybe he is a much better player and I don't see it. When he broke on to the scene, he looked as though he could be what Messi and Ronaldo have turned into. He was taking teams on, powering through them and finishing.

I'll accept your judgment on his abilities, but I'd be interested to know what older united fans who actually saw best and Charlton play, say about where he fits in your GOAT list.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Clearly you forget 2009/10. The guy scored 34 goals by mid March. He carried United all season. Phil Thompson, extremely biased Scouser, said at one stage of that season he believed him to be, at that time, the best on the planet.
Rooney was absolutely amazing that campaign. His best season in his whole career. Had he not been injured in Munich in the Champions League quarter final we'd of won the league and stood a good chance of conquering Europe. He was that good.

He is now the highest-paid player at Manchester United, overtaking defender Rio Ferdinand. The striker, who was previously on £90,000 per week, is now understood to be earning a basic salary in excess of £150,000 per week.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-contract.html

It was the media who reported the £150,000 a week. However, it's not as bigger headline as saying he's on £250k. That 'in excess' line is based on clauses.

Also here:

Reports say he will be on a basic of £150-160,000 a week but will more than double that figure through image rights.

Despite the happy ending, United fans will not see Rooney in action for another three weeks because of an ankle injury he picked up in training.

http://news.sky.com/story/813882/its...n-for-utd-fans

He isn't on £250k from United. End of that one. Just something rival fans love to mention when it's wrong.

Who pays image rights?

I'm genuinely not having a go, but if you want to bring media reports into it then read the media reports from the last few days stating what his contract is.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Who pays image rights?

Nike.

And here is another quote:

Rooney’s deal is thought to be worth in the region of £160,000 per week in basic salary but could top £200,000 once incentives are worked in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ak-clause.html

It's only debatable as to how he will get to £250k a week. He isn't on £250k from United. That's a fact, as Rafa would say.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Who pays image rights?

I'm genuinely not having a go, but if you want to bring media reports into it then read the media reports from the last few days stating what his contract is.

Why would the media report he's getting £150k a week, rising to £250k a week, and then throughout the years since he signed that contract report he's on £250k a week?

Easy answer, sensationalism.

It's just like with the 'Rooney claimed United lacked ambition', he never said that. In the media it's all about sensationalism.
I remember a few years back The Sun had an Evra story. I think he claimed Arsenal were no longer a big team or something. Anywho, the headline was basically he'd criticised a team. I then read the article, said team weren't even mentioned.

If Rooney was on £250k a week, why did we refuse to offer Eden Hazard £170k then? There would be no reason as to why we didn't match Chelsea's wage offer.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Nike.

And here is another quote:

Rooney’s deal is thought to be worth in the region of £160,000 per week in basic salary but could top £200,000 once incentives are worked in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ak-clause.html

It's only debatable as to how he will get to £250k a week. He isn't on £250k from United. That's a fact, as Rafa would say.

I don't think that's correct. Image rights are paid by the club, because it will have to be taken from use of his image. He will have a separate deal with Nike, who are his sponsors.

Any deals incorporating image rights, are taken from the club.

If I find 10 links from websites saying he's on 250k/week will that mean that I'm right? Because I could go and do that.

Your key piece is resting on image rights, and if that is any way related to Nike, then he has 2 deals with Nike? Doesn't make sense.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I don't think that's correct. Image rights are paid by the club, because it will have to be taken from use of his image. He will have a separate deal with Nike, who are his sponsors.

Any deals incorporating image rights, are taken from the club.

If I find 10 links from websites saying he's on 250k/week will that mean that I'm right? Because I could go and do that.

Your key piece is resting on image rights, and if that is any way related to Nike, then he has 2 deals with Nike? Doesn't make sense.

Do you really think we'd pay him £250k a week? The media themselves even said it was £150k, with it rising to £250k. This is the media. They like to sensationalise things. We'd be opening up a can of worms paying him £250k. Any future player, let's say Van Persie, would say, 'I want the same, or thereabouts'.
Also, I said, it's debatable as to how he could earn the £250k. I remember reading back in 2010, not image rights, and instead based on clauses.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I wouldn't put Rooney in the Best, Charlton & Law category at all. Looking from the outside, he's a worse player now than when he broke through, but I don't see his all round play week in week out, so maybe he is a much better player and I don't see it. When he broke on to the scene, he looked as though he could be what Messi and Ronaldo have turned into. He was taking teams on, powering through them and finishing.

I'll accept your judgment on his abilities, but I'd be interested to know what older united fans who actually saw best and Charlton play, say about where he fits in your GOAT list.

This season has been deemed a 'bad' one by some for him. If this is a bad season then god help anyone else.

In a season in which he's had injuries, fallen out of favour with Fergie and become United's 'second star man' he's still managed 16 goals and 13 assists from 31 starts and 6 bench appearances.
Last season he was absolutely fantastic. This campaign, he's fallen out of favour which, obviously, plays some part in how his season has gone.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

Do you really think we'd pay him £250k a week? The media themselves even said it was £150k, with it rising to £250k. This is the media. They like to sensationalise things. We'd be opening up a can of worms paying him £250k. Any future player, let's say Van Persie, would say, 'I want the same, or thereabouts'.
Also, I said, it's debatable as to how he could earn the £250k. I remember reading back in 2010, not image rights, and instead based on clauses.



This season has been deemed a 'bad' one by some for him. If this is a bad season then god help anyone else.

In a season in which he's had injuries, fallen out of favour with Fergie and become United's 'second star man' he's still managed 16 goals and 13 assists from 31 starts and 6 bench appearances.
Last season he was absolutely fantastic. This campaign, he's fallen out of favour which, obviously, plays some part in how his season has gone.

I'm not sure how £150k/wk + image rights from the club, is different to £250k/wk from the club. It's just assigning it from a different pot.

Seems like you believe the media reports you like, but then accuse the ones you don't of "sensationalism". I don't think you can really have it both ways.

I am happy to agree to disagree though. I just don't think Rooney would have kicked up such a fuss then signed a new contract earning less than Steven Gerrard. You feel free to believe that if you like.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I don't think that's correct. Image rights are paid by the club, because it will have to be taken from use of his image. He will have a separate deal with Nike, who are his sponsors.

Any deals incorporating image rights, are taken from the club.

If I find 10 links from websites saying he's on 250k/week will that mean that I'm right? Because I could go and do that.

Your key piece is resting on image rights, and if that is any way related to Nike, then he has 2 deals with Nike? Doesn't make sense.

I could be wrong, I'm not too sure about image rights.

Have just seen this:

Image rights allow a club to pay a portion of a player’s wages in exchange for using their image to promote the club and their sponsors. Payments are made to a separate company, often based offshore, and taxed at a lower rate or not at all.

Seems it is the club then. Hold my hands up, I was wrong. However, if we really trawled the internet for 2010 articles about Rooney signing a new deal we'd see it's £150k a week.

The media said £150k themselves. Those same websites that said it was £150k and rising, by whatever means, also say £250k as that's the media for you. Do you honestly think we're paying a player £250k a week? Why would we refute Hazard's demands?

Believe what you like.

[Ryan57]

At least we can agree in terms of the joke decision of David Moyes. Liverpool fans nationwide must still be laughing.

[Ryan57]

Aston Villa captain Stiliyan Petrov, who has been suffering from acute leukaemia, has announced his retirement from football.

What a shame.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I could be wrong, I'm not too sure about image rights.

Have just seen this:

Image rights allow a club to pay a portion of a player’s wages in exchange for using their image to promote the club and their sponsors. Payments are made to a separate company, often based offshore, and taxed at a lower rate or not at all.

Seems it is the club then. Hold my hands up, I was wrong. However, if we really trawled the internet for 2010 articles about Rooney signing a new deal we'd see it's £150k a week.

The media said £150k themselves. Those same websites that said it was £150k and rising, by whatever means, also say £250k as that's the media for you. Do you honestly think we're paying a player £250k a week? Why would we refute Hazard's demands?

Believe what you like.

I don't think you did. Hazard flirted with every club around for a while. He then chose to join Chelsea. United didn't turn him down.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I don't think you did. Hazard flirted with every club around for a while. He then chose to join Chelsea. United didn't turn him down.

What I meant was, why didn't we match the wages Chelsea offered if we're paying Rooney £250k a week? He was one of our main targets last summer.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

What I meant was, why didn't we match the wages Chelsea offered if we're paying Rooney £250k a week? He was one of our main targets last summer.

He chose to go to Chelsea. It wasn't about matching the salary he wanted.

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

He chose to go to Chelsea. It wasn't about matching the salary he wanted.

He went for money. Nothing else. The guy spoke absolute bollocks all year about where he was going. I was glad, in a way, that we didn't get him due to his ego. However, after seeing our sorry excuse for wingers this season, I wish we had signed him now.

Originally Posted by Ryan57

He went for money. Nothing else. The guy spoke absolute bollocks all year about where he was going. I was glad, in a way, that we didn't get him due to his ego. After seeing our sorry excuse for wingers this season, I wish we had signed him now.

Tell yourself that if you wish. He could have earned more from going to PSG. He signed for the European champions at the time, in one of the most sought after cities in the world.

He wasn't going to be poor wherever he went, and although he publicly used all clubs to bump his eventual salary up, I doubt money was his sole motivation.

However, I could well be wrong on that score, and none of us really know. He seemed to be hinting at going to City for a long time from what I remember.