[mr rochester]

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

[vicky]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well hello there Vicky

You are the reason I have to have a fullstop on the end of my forum name

Hello

I am Vicky from the past. Not been here in a while.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by vicky

Hello

I am Vicky from the past. Not been here in a while.

time traveller lol

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

Cos he's a bit of a nutter?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by cookiemonster

he needs help and should never have been let on the show

Agree...he has issues and this should have been recognised knowing the process they have to go through.
Alcohol can have such an effect on people and part of me has a great deal of sympathy with him.
He needs help....perhaps people should be a little more sympathetic because of his plight. His behaviour was inexcusable and it was right to remove him from the house. Hazel did not deserve that BUT hopefully she will learn that she should not antagonise people...she was guilty of that and she knows it. Recognise danger when you see it and diffuse it because we are all very different and you never know who you are dealing with.

[arney]

Who was scripted most? Emma or Daley?

Anyone noticed Daley's eyes....? trying to remember what he was told to say.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

Because he has issues that need to be addressed...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have been pretty irritated at the way Hazel was always seeking him out,no matter where he was and really doing a fair bit more than just flirting with him.
She sadly, in my view, gave the indication that if he wanted her, he could have her,at certain points.
She did even once say to him she was really frustrated in the house.

From his angle,I have been more irritated at his lack of full respect and consideration for his girlfriend outside, Daley was the person in a relationship and he should have said from the start to Hazel that he was a no go area, if that is how he actually at that time saw himself to be.

I also was irritated at BB too, for when they did the pairings to ever set out to manipulate the situation and set them up as a pair for the safe house and to be totally alone at times.

From there though, Daley's behaviour on the night in question was way out of order, it is true Hazel began the 'playfighting' but it was Daley who turned really sinister and nasty and yes, threatening.
Dan for instance got a warning for just saying he would like to punch Callum to another housemate.
Daley actually took hold of Hazel and threatened her directly,with his hands on her, not once but at least twice, 'I will finish you' and 'nut you' being the offensive terminology used by him.
That is where he was totally wrong and Hazel being the clear victim in that.

In his interview with Emma tonight, he did harp on about the drink a bit but all he had to do was not drink. It is that simple.
If he wasn't a regular drinker then he already had that control so just leave it be.
My guess is Emma's interview will have had guidelines from BB as to it but I did think he got a very easy ride on bbbots.

This is in part, the very reason women who get abused or attacked, do not always come forward as to it,because some think they were likely asking for it or provoked it.
No way did Daley need to get that angry or threatening over a bed cover,it is very worrying that he could in fact.

It is right he is out the house now, maybe with all his emotional problems he should naever have been in it.
While it certainly can be said that they were both 50/50 to blame for the relationship building up in the first place, it is Daley who is 100% to blame for the rather ugly scenes we saw last night, that was down to him and him alone in my view.

I feel Hazel got a bit of a raw deal from Emma and the others on bbbots tonight.
Disappointing interview really for me.

Great post Joey, spot on

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I thought he came across quite well. I think he's a very impressionable and naive person and he has learned a valuable life lesson being in there.

You can't justify the way he grabbed and spoke to Hazel, and he didn't. It is unacceptable behaviour and he knows it. But I think it would be unfair to vilify him.

Hazel is more than partly to blame for what he became in that house. She knows shes an attractive woman, she knows Daley is just a walking bag of testosterone, as are most men. She has shown no redeming qualities whatsoever in the way that she conducted herself around him. She manipulated the whole situation (not talking about the few mins in the secret house). She only had to click her fingers and he would do what she wanted. She should have shown some decorum and dignity and backed off him when she realised he had a girlfriend and child.

Oh yeah blame Hazel again for something that HE instigated in the first place. He started gravitating towards her and she then reciprocated it when he told her that he and his girlfriend werent a definite item and had agreed to just talk after the show. Daley is a grown man. Even if Hazel flirted and flirted with him and he really loved his gf he would never have started anything with Hazel. She is being painted as a wicked witch who hypnotised him. She didnt and even though she should have reigned in the flirting he made his own choices

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That was a ****ing farce, shame on Emma for how she handled it too, ****ing disgusting, they're more or else condoning what he did and blaming Hazel as much

This.

[CaudleHalbard]

I think we are seeing the effect of all the hatred directed towards Hazel when she was seen as the homewrecker.

You can't expect people to do an instant u-turn. There will be a feeling that she got her come uppance. She didnt get hurt but had a fright.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Because he has issues that need to be addressed...

Yes I agree he has issues...having issues does not excuse someone for being able to make appropriate judgement calls or indeed taking responsibility for one's actions.

[smudgie]

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

[Amy Jade]

Emma was horrible, she literally tried to heap the blame on to Hazel at every opportunity.

She's gone right down in my opinion after this.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by smudgie

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

I completely agree...I said earlier on another thread that Emma was placing herself in a potential career-limiting situation by doing this interview. She has not acquitted herself well and this will be remembered...

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by smudgie

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

Who knows how Emma is seen?

Just as many people may think she did an excellent job in tricky circumstances, especially if she was constrained for legal reasons.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by Drew.

yeah, i dont think they put any blame on Hazel.. the interview was based on how he was in the wrong.

You are right but it is a pity that they didn't put any blame on Hazel as she did lead him on a bit. However he was deffo wrong (and an idiot) for showing his aggressive and controlling side and for that BB did right to kick him off the show. I do pity his g/f and any g/f in the future. He really does need to sort himself out.

[smeagol]

emma to daily in no way was this all your fault

jesus emma lost all respect for her now . bbots has become a joke getting kaite on now this does emma know katie she acts like they best friends n daley

[Kulafey]

The real problem I have with people's replies here is that they are making moral judgements about Hazel and using that to justify Daley's assault on her. Hazel is a single woman. Its maybe not "nice" of her to make a play for a man who is involved with someone else, but it is not immoral on her part - she has made no promises to another person, she is single and free to do what she pleases, the fault for cheating is Daley's. But even if we agreed that Hazel alone was to blame for the ongoing flirting and sexual tension, even if she did exert her "sexual power" over Daley, that does not mean that she therefore somehow "deserves" an abusive attack. Saying Hazel "deserved it" or that her "behavior" was bad, or that she "knew what she was doing" or that she "led him on" or that Daley just "let things get out of hand" sounds scarily like the excuses given every day by abusive men, by rapists. Those sort of comments allow men like this to excuse their own behaviour - much along the lines that Daley did tonight - "I'm sorry, but...."
Maybe Hazel does have lax morals, maybe her behaviour could have been different, who knows maybe she is a homewrecking sl*pper.
But whatever she is, she didn't deserve to be a victim of abuse.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Who knows how Emma is seen?

Just as many people may think she did an excellent job in tricky circumstances, especially if she was constrained for legal reasons.

I'm not quite sure why he was even given the interview in the first place tbh, I mean has an ejected HM ever gotten an interview before? Maybe they have and I've just forgotten but I don't recall any. I mean at the end of the day BOTS is a Big Brother show and BB decided that Daleys behaviour warranted his expulsion from the house and Hazels did not but still, Emma, who is BB's representative, seemed to be saying that maybe Hazel should have been kicked out as well and that it was both their faults

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by smeagol

emma to daily in no way was this all your fault

jesus emma lost all respect for her now . bbots has become a joke getting kaite on now this does emma know katie she acts like they best friends n daley

Seems to me that Emma was pointing out the facts and for that she has gone up in my estimation as a brilliant presenter and interviewer.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Women hold the power..if a woman says NO thats the end of it. She at no point told him to back off, she encouraged it, knowing full well she was totally ****ing his life up.

Daley went into the house telling everyone he had a girlfriend. Hazel kept her distance from him for the first few weeks. He was just one of the housemates and pretty much on the outside of the group rather than integral to it. Then suddenly he began to notice Hazel and developed feelings for her. All of a sudden he went from ' I have a girlfriend' to 'I dont really have a relationship we agreed to talk when I came out of the house' Hazel is single and she was attracted to him. He made the first move. It was HIS responsibilty to steer clear of the situation, keep his infatuation to himself and not start cuddling Hazel and writing on her hand that he liked her. Hazel CANNOT be blamed for this.

[Kizzy]

Argh! was so annoyed emma was almost apologising to him! It was totally out of order her placating him making excuses for his disgusting outburst!!

Bliddy furious about that, absolute rollocks... What the hell was she thinking?

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

Seems to me that Emma was pointing out the facts and for that she has gone up in my estimation as a brilliant presenter and interviewer.

lol yeah condoning violence and threats she is wonderful. amzing job not biased at all.

id sack her

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

The BOTS audience and panel - and indeed Emma - seemed to have very little sympathy for Hazel.

"It takes two" was the general sentiment.

if you notice its almost always the women in the audience ( some of them not blessed with good looks) that are gunning for Hazel. Jealous Jealous Jealous end of!!!!! Its the same most years when someone pretty comes into the house. They were all gunning for Noirin also and she was more a wiley flirty character than Hazel could ever be.