[JustLisaAgain]

Does anyone else think that Dan done the right thing, by obeying by Hazel's request to tell the rest of the house what happened the other night between her & Daley?

It appears some think he was patronising and Hazel should've done it herself but I think that especially because she asked him to, I think he done a really good job. It was a serious matter and he spoke about it with seriousness. I don't think the other HM's should've been at all offended. I would've respected her decision and I thought it was nice that she had the confidence to tell him about it.

Thoughts?

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I think Dan handled it very well, at the end of day, people are moaning about Dan telling the HM's, but at the end of day, Hazel asked him to speak to the HM's in her behave.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by fingers

No Comment!

Fair enough! You are more than welcome to though as I'm interested in hearing what people think! You are entitled to your own thoughts!

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

I think Dan handled it very well, at the end of day, people are moaning about Dan telling the HM's, but at the end of day, Hazel asked him to speak to the HM's in her behave.

I see we're on the same wavelength.

[joeysteele]

Yes ,he did the right thing, she didn't feel able to express herself to them,he was willing to help as a good friend often is.
She had already trusted him with the story of what had happened, he did 100% the right thing and handled it as best as anyone could have too in my opinion.

[Marc]

I'm surprised he hasn't told anybody to be honest. He loves the gossip

[user104658]

I think she's very lucky to have him there to be honest, and lucky that he is being a genuine friend. He hasn't vilified Daley and he hasn't suggested its her fault - he's just been supportive. It's made me like him a lot more, anyway. some of the younger ones just don't really understand that he wasn't patronising them, just conveying it in the serious way that was appropriate.

[Lister of Smeg]

I fail to see why Hazel didnt just tell them all had she been honest from the start no one would have cared now shes definitely made herself an easy target .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

I fail to see why Hazel didnt just tell them all had she been honest from the start no one would have cared now shes definitely made herself an easy target .

I think this trivializes the issue a lot. She didn't tell them because she felt ashamed and was scared of how they would react, like a lot of girls who get themselves into these situations. And she was right to think that because people have been exactly like that. because people are a bit ****ing rotten. She told the only person she knew wouldnt judge her or look at her differently because of it.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes ,he did the right thing, she didn't feel able to express herself to them,he was willing to help as a good friend often is.
She had already trusted him with the story of what had happened, he did 100% the right thing and handled it as best as anyone could have too in my opinion.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think she's very lucky to have him there to be honest, and lucky that he is being a genuine friend. He hasn't vilified Daley and he hasn't suggested its her fault - he's just been supportive. It's made me like him a lot more, anyway. some of the younger ones just don't really understand that he wasn't patronising them, just conveying it in the serious way that was appropriate.

Well said! I'm a big fan of Dan I have to say. I think if I was in there, I'd be good friends with him - if he liked me of course, haha.

[optimisticcynic]

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

He's been TOTALLY used, and if he doesn't feel like a fool when he finds out.....

Edit: Just imagine Dan's high pitched whiny voice "She used meeeee, I trusted her and she used meeee!"

[kefln]

Originally Posted by JustLisaAgain

Does anyone else think that Dan done the right thing, by obeying by Hazel's request to tell the rest of the house what happened the other night between her & Daley?

It appears some think he was patronising and Hazel should've done it herself but I think that especially because she asked him to, I think he done a really good job. It was a serious matter and he spoke about it with seriousness. I don't think the other HM's should've been at all offended. I would've respected her decision and I thought it was nice that she had the confidence to tell him about it.

Thoughts?

Actually I think dan offered to tell the rest of the house for her, not the other way around.

But I believe he handled the situation very well, all his concern was for her. Despite the some of the others getting the hump.

He went up in my estimation last night

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes ,he proved to be a trusted friend ,nice that there are still people like him

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

Do you know I never even thought about it like that m,but youre right ..it was him that Sophie played hell with ,not Hazel !! COWBAG her

[fingers]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes ,he proved to be a trusted friend ,nice that there are still people like him

Just a pity his trust has been abused.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes ,he proved to be a trusted friend ,nice that there are still people like him

He's a real stand up guy and great HM.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by kefln

Actually I think dan offered to tell the rest of the house for her, not the other way around.

But I believe he handled the situation very well, all his concern was for her. Despite the some of the others getting the hump.

He went up in my estimation last night

Thank you for the correction! Either way, I thought it was lovely.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

Only if he's the sort of scumbag who thinks she was "asking" to have Daley turn dark / intimidating on her for the "crime" of flirting and having banter with him. Which I don't think he is. I hope not, anyway, as he was a police officer. And police officer who viewed that footage and thought "Oh yeah, the slut provoked him, she was just asking for something like this to happen" should not be in the job.

She also told Dan in the treehouse the first day that she slapped Daley and pulled down his boxers, and that she got a warning. Your bias is giving you a selective memory.

Why does she need to reveal all of this? Why does she have to offer up details of something unsettling that happened to her for the other housemates to "review"? Why is everyone so desperate to justify Daley's actions?

I don't know how many times I've said this now but the story has been SO twisted by many people, and NOT by Hazel.

Daley didn't mean to scare her, but he did, accidentally.

Big Brother asked her if she had been scared, and she told the truth and said "yeah, a little bit"

Hazel even said at the time that he probably didn't mean to and it was just play fighting gone too far.

She said the same to Dan.

She has never vilified Daley.

UP UNTIL THIS POINT there was no real blame... Daley made a mistake, that is all. He thought she knew it was a game and was OK. She wasn't. All he needed to do was say "yes I made a mistake, I'm sorry that I scared Hazel". Done, dusted, not a huge deal!

Since then, Hazel still hasn't blamed or vilified Daley. She's even said he didn't deserve to be kicked out.

Daley on the other hand... has been an absolute snivelling guilt-avoiding weasle about the whole thing. "Boo hoo boo hoo she used magic spells on me and made my out of control penis cheat on my girlfriend without me having any way to stop it, and then she brewed up a potion in her cauldron and made me play a too-rough sex game with her in a conspiracy to kick me out!". **** off Daley. Utterly, utterly pathetic.

And yet Hazel still gets the bulk of the blame?? What is WRONG with most people??? It's disgusting. It's actually making me really angry. Thousands of women in these situations are now going to be more scared to tell anyone because hey, Hazel brought it on herself, so why not them? It's an absolute disgrace, and BB / the press giving Daley airtime in order to blame the girl is infuriating. That so many people are buying into it is also completely awful.


So... yeah. If Dan is an idiot he'll feel used. If he's any sort of half decent person, he'll find the footage of the incident even more disturbing than he imagined, and still want to protect his friend from the inevitable negative press she's going to face.

[smudgie]

On his part he could have made it more of a request rather than a command.

Sophie on the other hand made far too much of it, it was about helping Hazel not about poor Sophie not feeling she could gossip about it.

[waterhog]

i personally think he was manipulating the situation to make himself look good. after all he is police and no's all this and how it will come across.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

..it was him that Sophie played hell with ,not Hazel !! COWBAG her

That was WHY he offered to tell them, so that she wouldn't have to face the housemates asking questions, blaming her and pouring scorn onto her. It's why he offered to do it; because he can handle them, and knows that she shouldn't have to.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

On his part he could have made it more of a request rather than a command.

Sophie on the other hand made far too much of it, it was about helping Hazel not about poor Sophie not feeling she could gossip about it.

Sophie went down in my estimations, a lot. Well.. she wasn't even in my estimations before, but she is now, and in a negative way. It would even be better if she was saying "if I want to believe that Daley didn't do anything wrong, then I will"

But no, she was just saying "If I want to hide in corners gossiping and speculating then I will! Obviously I won't do it to her face, we'll just all go somewhere else and cackle about this juicy gossip". Seriously... wut???

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by reece(:

He's a real stand up guy and great HM.

yes ,he lovely just hope she didnt use him to fire her bullets