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Originally Posted by Jesus.

Round it up for me, please.

There are approximately 7.4 million 16-24yr olds in the uk (http://www.ukyouth.org/stories/item/...tml#.UhnFn3_9y). What portion is made up by the 50-100 people like this you might see on a Saturday night?

No I don't know, and I don't care. You only have to see the reaction she got when walking in to see that she is praised for the way she is. Not to mention that she has her own TV show.

She makes me want to vomit.

I've been a teenager, i've been through College, there were a lot more people who would be dribbling kebab juice over themselves at 2am on a Saturday night than sitting at home reading the bible. [at my college]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

No I don't know, and I don't care. You only have to see the reaction she got when walking in to see that she is praised for the way she is. Not to mention that she has her own TV show.

She makes me want to vomit.

I've been a teenager, i've been through College, there were a lot more people who would be dribbling kebab juice over themselves at 2am on a Saturday night than sitting at home reading the bible. [at my college]

So if you don't know and/or care about the actual statistics, would you do the honourable thing and perhaps admit your bias may be clouding your judgment here?

Saying "I know because I've been there too", doesn't really mean anything. It's anecdotal, and anecdotal evidence is the worst kind. I've also been through university. I left a small rural village to move to a big city, so I've had massive culture shock, it doesn't mean that I get to label everyone as a waster.

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

So if you don't know and/or care about the actual statistics, would you do the honourable thing and perhaps admit your bias mat be clouding your judgment here?

Saying "I know because I've been there too", doesn't really mean anything. It's anecdotal, and anecdotal evidence is the worst kind. I've also been through university. I left a small rural village to move to a big city, so I've had massive culture shock, it doesn't mean that I get to label everyone as a waster.

Bias towards what? I'm merely making an observation, based on experience. She is celebrated for basically being a twat. I at no point called anybody a waster, she clearly isnt. Its her image I have issues with.

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Bias towards what? I'm merely making an observation, based on experience. She is celebrated for basically being a twat. I at no point called anybody a waster, she clearly isnt. Its her image I have issues with.

An observation that groups people together in nicely packaged dismissive soundbytes that make it easy to avoid thinking about.

I actually watch Geordie Shore (for my sins), and yeah, they are all a bit extreme in one way or another, but Charlotte actually appears to be a pretty genuine girl, with a really good heart.

If everyone was really like her, then people wouldn't watch it in a show.

Her image? Why does that concern you? She's a young girl doind what young guys have been doing (without being judged for) all of history.

She likes sex, bodily functions, and drinking.


I'm sure conversations with your friends happen to include these topics from time to time.

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

An observation that groups people together in nicely packaged dismissive soundbytes that make it easy to avoid thinking about.

I actually watch Geordie Shore (for my sins), and yeah, they are all a bit extreme in one way or another, but Charlotte actually appears to be a pretty genuine girl, with a really good heart.

If everyone was really like her, then people wouldn't watch it in a show.

Her image? Why does that concern you? She's a young girl doind what young guys have been doing (without being judged for) all of history.

She likes sex, bodily functions, and drinking.


I'm sure conversations with your friends happen to include these topics from time to time.

You're just arguing with me for the sake of it. You've basically just agreed with me without realising it.

She's a young girl doind what young guys have been doing (without being judged for) all of history.

Apart from the 'doing through all history' part, which quite frankly is rubbish. You've just said exactly what I am but in a different way.

Let me spell it out for you - why are people regardless of age, in this country celebrated for being louts?

The American girl, comes across as a sweet, naive, god fearing, girl whilst Britain has a burping, farting, foul mouthed chav representing.

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Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

You're just arguing with me for the sake of it. You've basically just agreed with me without realising it.


Apart from the 'doing through all history' part, which quite frankly is rubbish. You've just said exactly what I am but in a different way.

Let me spell it out for you - why are people regardless of age, in this country celebrated for being louts?

The American girl, comes across as a sweet, naive, god fearing, girl whilst Britain has a burping, farting, foul mouthed chav representing.

..I think she's been portrayed more as a 'plastic bimbo/shallow/air head/gold digger' type..that's not really better than Charlotte..it's equally as bad but just different...

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think she's been portrayed more as a 'plastic bimbo/shallow/air head/gold digger' type..that's not really better than Charlotte..it's equally as bad but just different...

That's not the impression i've got, not if you read between the lines at least. She spent hours on the first night worrying about her bloody stuffed toy for god sake. How more innocent can you get? She's also a Christian, which I didn't know before.

What have I learnt about the Geordie? She likes burping, farting, drinking and basically just being as obnoxious and 'outrageous' as she can.

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

You're just arguing with me for the sake of it. You've basically just agreed with me without realising it.


Apart from the 'doing through all history' part, which quite frankly is rubbish. You've just said exactly what I am but in a different way.

Let me spell it out for you - why are people regardless of age, in this country celebrated for being louts?

The American girl, comes across as a sweet, naive, god fearing, girl whilst Britain has a burping, farting, foul mouthed chav representing.

We couldn't be further from agreeing on this point. You grouped this "modern youth" together and made out every young person was like that. I'm saying if every young person was like that, then no one would watch a show of them.

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Originally Posted by Jesus.

We couldn't be further from agreeing on this point. You grouped this "modern youth" together and made out every young person was like that. I'm saying if every young person was like that, then no one would watch a show of them.

I specifically said I am not labeling 'every young person' just a very large majority.

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Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Bias towards what? I'm merely making an observation, based on experience. She is celebrated for basically being a twat. I at no point called anybody a waster, she clearly isnt. Its her image I have issues with.

..I didn't have access to so much TV when I was younger but it's never been different in that my generation was always more interested in watching the 'rebel' type/anti establishment etc because it made for more interesting viewing,,it doesn't mean to say we role modelled ourselves on them or anything though or thought them as 'the norm' ..TV has always portrayed more extreme characters...

..I also remember my mum saying..'the youth of today....'.lol...

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Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

No I don't know, and I don't care. You only have to see the reaction she got when walking in to see that she is praised for the way she is. Not to mention that she has her own TV show.

She makes me want to vomit.

I've been a teenager, i've been through College, there were a lot more people who would be dribbling kebab juice over themselves at 2am on a Saturday night than sitting at home reading the bible. [at my college]

..you're talking about extremes though CH, most people aren't extreme..I'm sure they can be in that young people may sometimes dribble kebab juice on a Saturday etc..but lots of older people can and do as well...wisdom..?...good behaviour..?...bad behaviour..?..etc, is applicable to all ages...