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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Except there is a huge difference between the two despite their being some similarities when drunk I'm guessing?
The girls in your scenario by charlottes age had finished or were in the latter stages of university. They could hold their bladder sufficiently, conduct conversations adequately and during disagreements could express themselves without swearing and crying?
Where I live 'kids' like charlotte go on to have kids like charlotte, not many of them become reality TV stars.
Anyone who was honest with themselves could not say they would be happy with the thought of their child exhibiting those behaviours.

The only part - and I say this in all honesty as a dad of 2 girls - that I wouldn't like so much is the being unable to be in a heated discussion without breaking down. But that us 100% down to her struggling to cope with frustration and anger. I would blame myself in that case.

The rest of it? No i would have no problem with my daughters being like that at 23. At 30? Maybe. But 23 is just a baby! I know "society" has a ridiculous expectation that anyone over 18 (or 21) should be a fully fledged "adult at all times" but its utter nonsense. Let the girl be young.