[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Jemal

Na seriously that makes Charlotte the winner?
I actually dont get it.

It has been a tragic night for Britain...not just the winner but the huge support for that winner, it worries me too.

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Videostar

It has been a tragic night for Britain...not just the winner but the huge support for that winner, it worries me too.

Im sorry i agree with this but it made me pmsl.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Videostar

It has been a tragic night for Britain...not just the winner but the huge support for that winner, it worries me too.

If your worries for the country boil down to the winner of Big Brother then you need to get caught up on world affairs.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

If your worries for the country boil down to the winner of Big Brother then you need to get caught up on world affairs.

This, exactly. It's utterly ridiculous. I bet the people who believe this are the same ones who genuinely believe that the recession is because of benefits claimants and immigrants . The problems in Britain, in the whole western world, start at the TOP - not the bottom.

Even if this wasn't true, do you really think kids like Charlotte or her fans are the ones drinking MD20/20 in the street with 6 inch blades in their back pockets? Do you think they're the muggers, the violent criminals, or the tragic heroin addicts that litter every small town centre? Do you really think that THIS is "broken britain"?? If you do, I'm sorry but you really need to get off your couch and have a look around. Our society has deep, deep, festering problems but girls like Charlotte farting are not one of them . Kids like charlotte grow up and become normal people, with normal jobs, and normal families. But because her behaviour makes people uncomfortable, theyre inexplicably managing to twist it into something immoral or indicative of societal problems.

I'm 28 and I can literally look back 7/8 years to University and think of 4 girls I knew just like Charlotte (worse, in some cases) who are now: a doctor, a lawyer, a civil engineer, and a dentist. All on 50k+ salaries and "contributing to society" in ways that most people who would have branded them "products of broken Britain" never will. Not that job titles or salaries even matter. The point is, they are functional people having fun while theyre young. The fact that people want to brand this "immoral" is really, really sad.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This, exactly. It's utterly ridiculous. I bet the people who believe this are the same ones who genuinely believe that the recession is because of benefits claimants and immigrants . The problems in Britain, in the whole western world, start at the TOP - not the bottom.

Even if this wasn't true, do you really think kids like Charlotte or her fans are the ones drinking MD20/20 in the street with 6 inch blades in their back pockets? Do you think they're the muggers, the violent criminals, or the tragic heroin addicts that litter every small town centre? Do you really think that THIS is "broken britain"?? If you do, I'm sorry but you really need to get off your couch and have a look around. Our society has deep, deep, festering problems but girls like Charlotte farting are not one of them . Kids like charlotte grow up and become normal people, with normal jobs, and normal families. But because her behaviour makes people uncomfortable, theyre inexplicably managing to twist it into something immoral or indicative of societal problems.

I'm 28 and I can literally look back 7/8 years to University and think of 4 girls I knew just like Charlotte (worse, in some cases) who are now: a doctor, a lawyer, a civil engineer, and a dentist. All on 50k+ salaries and "contributing to society" in ways that most people who would have branded them "products of broken Britain" ever will. Not that job titles or salaries even matter. The point is, they are functional people having fun while theyre young. The fact that people want to brand this "immoral" is really, really sad.

Fantastic post

Completely agree....

[Fendertele]

'Ladies and Gentlemen, step aside Vicky Pollard, and welcome Charlotte Crosby, teach your children well......or suffer the consequences.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This, exactly. It's utterly ridiculous. I bet the people who believe this are the same ones who genuinely believe that the recession is because of benefits claimants and immigrants . The problems in Britain, in the whole western world, start at the TOP - not the bottom.

Even if this wasn't true, do you really think kids like Charlotte or her fans are the ones drinking MD20/20 in the street with 6 inch blades in their back pockets? Do you think they're the muggers, the violent criminals, or the tragic heroin addicts that litter every small town centre? Do you really think that THIS is "broken britain"?? If you do, I'm sorry but you really need to get off your couch and have a look around. Our society has deep, deep, festering problems but girls like Charlotte farting are not one of them . Kids like charlotte grow up and become normal people, with normal jobs, and normal families. But because her behaviour makes people uncomfortable, theyre inexplicably managing to twist it into something immoral or indicative of societal problems.

I'm 28 and I can literally look back 7/8 years to University and think of 4 girls I knew just like Charlotte (worse, in some cases) who are now: a doctor, a lawyer, a civil engineer, and a dentist. All on 50k+ salaries and "contributing to society" in ways that most people who would have branded them "products of broken Britain" never will. Not that job titles or salaries even matter. The point is, they are functional people having fun while theyre young. The fact that people want to brand this "immoral" is really, really sad.

Brilliant post.

I only have to look back to my day, nothing much has changed, girls AND boys have always drank too much took part in toilet humour and enjoyed sex.
That was 40 yeas ago..only difference is we did not have reality TV etc so it was not so much in your face.
We all turned out ok in the end

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This, exactly. It's utterly ridiculous. I bet the people who believe this are the same ones who genuinely believe that the recession is because of benefits claimants and immigrants . The problems in Britain, in the whole western world, start at the TOP - not the bottom.

Even if this wasn't true, do you really think kids like Charlotte or her fans are the ones drinking MD20/20 in the street with 6 inch blades in their back pockets? Do you think they're the muggers, the violent criminals, or the tragic heroin addicts that litter every small town centre? Do you really think that THIS is "broken britain"?? If you do, I'm sorry but you really need to get off your couch and have a look around. Our society has deep, deep, festering problems but girls like Charlotte farting are not one of them . Kids like charlotte grow up and become normal people, with normal jobs, and normal families. But because her behaviour makes people uncomfortable, theyre inexplicably managing to twist it into something immoral or indicative of societal problems.

I'm 28 and I can literally look back 7/8 years to University and think of 4 girls I knew just like Charlotte (worse, in some cases) who are now: a doctor, a lawyer, a civil engineer, and a dentist. All on 50k+ salaries and "contributing to society" in ways that most people who would have branded them "products of broken Britain" never will. Not that job titles or salaries even matter. The point is, they are functional people having fun while theyre young. The fact that people want to brand this "immoral" is really, really sad.

Except there is a huge difference between the two despite their being some similarities when drunk I'm guessing?
The girls in your scenario by charlottes age had finished or were in the latter stages of university. They could hold their bladder sufficiently, conduct conversations adequately and during disagreements could express themselves without swearing and crying?
Where I live 'kids' like charlotte go on to have kids like charlotte, not many of them become reality TV stars.
Anyone who was honest with themselves could not say they would be happy with the thought of their child exhibiting those behaviours.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Except there is a huge difference between the two despite their being some similarities when drunk I'm guessing?
The girls in your scenario by charlottes age had finished or were in the latter stages of university. They could hold their bladder sufficiently, conduct conversations adequately and during disagreements could express themselves without swearing and crying?
Where I live 'kids' like charlotte go on to have kids like charlotte, not many of them become reality TV stars.
Anyone who was honest with themselves could not say they would be happy with the thought of their child exhibiting those behaviours.

The only part - and I say this in all honesty as a dad of 2 girls - that I wouldn't like so much is the being unable to be in a heated discussion without breaking down. But that us 100% down to her struggling to cope with frustration and anger. I would blame myself in that case.

The rest of it? No i would have no problem with my daughters being like that at 23. At 30? Maybe. But 23 is just a baby! I know "society" has a ridiculous expectation that anyone over 18 (or 21) should be a fully fledged "adult at all times" but its utter nonsense. Let the girl be young.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The only part - and I say this in all honesty as a dad of 2 girls - that I wouldn't like so much is the being unable to be in a heated discussion without breaking down. But that us 100% down to her struggling to cope with frustration and anger. I would blame myself in that case.

The rest of it? No i would have no problem with my daughters being like that at 23. At 30? Maybe. But 23 is just a baby! I know "society" has a ridiculous expectation that anyone over 18 (or 21) should be a fully fledged "adult at all times" but its utter nonsense. Let the girl be young.

And there we have it... This misconception that anyone under 25 is not capable of rational thought! Where did this ideology come from?
The only reason for this shift is apologists like yourself who fail to acknowledge their child is actually a grown up.. and can and should be fully functional in the adult world.
They are NOT children, and I would have thought anyone at 23/4 working, having relationships and everyday interactions would be most offended that you believe them to be so emotionally retarded.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Except there is a huge difference between the two despite their being some similarities when drunk I'm guessing?
The girls in your scenario by charlottes age had finished or were in the latter stages of university. They could hold their bladder sufficiently, conduct conversations adequately and during disagreements could express themselves without swearing and crying?
Where I live 'kids' like charlotte go on to have kids like charlotte, not many of them become reality TV stars.
Anyone who was honest with themselves could not say they would be happy with the thought of their child exhibiting those behaviours.

I'd be horrified if I had a daughter that went on national TV telling everyone she'd had a cock up every orifice, and talking about sucking off her boyfriend. Charlotte was all about the shock factor and likes to talk about chit, thats something I may expect from a 16 year old. At 23 years old I would expect more maturity, 23 is young but certainly not a baby.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This, exactly. It's utterly ridiculous. I bet the people who believe this are the same ones who genuinely believe that the recession is because of benefits claimants and immigrants . The problems in Britain, in the whole western world, start at the TOP - not the bottom.

Even if this wasn't true, do you really think kids like Charlotte or her fans are the ones drinking MD20/20 in the street with 6 inch blades in their back pockets? Do you think they're the muggers, the violent criminals, or the tragic heroin addicts that litter every small town centre? Do you really think that THIS is "broken britain"?? If you do, I'm sorry but you really need to get off your couch and have a look around. Our society has deep, deep, festering problems but girls like Charlotte farting are not one of them . Kids like charlotte grow up and become normal people, with normal jobs, and normal families. But because her behaviour makes people uncomfortable, theyre inexplicably managing to twist it into something immoral or indicative of societal problems.

I'm 28 and I can literally look back 7/8 years to University and think of 4 girls I knew just like Charlotte (worse, in some cases) who are now: a doctor, a lawyer, a civil engineer, and a dentist. All on 50k+ salaries and "contributing to society" in ways that most people who would have branded them "products of broken Britain" never will. Not that job titles or salaries even matter. The point is, they are functional people having fun while theyre young. The fact that people want to brand this "immoral" is really, really sad.

I agree fully that there's an awful lot more problems in the world to keep us occupied,but at this point in time we're debating a TV show,and whether Charlotte is a product of society? Obviously it's not her job to set a good example,if she doesn't want to,but some people will follow her example,while others will be dismayed!
However,as regards the girls you knew in uni,there's a huge difference. They were studying in order to get qualifications to pursue their chosen careers,and obviously from time to time would let off steam!?! This is Charlotte's life,and with due respect,I can't imagine her heading to uni in the near future. She seems nice enough,when she's not performing,but when performing,she's cringe-worthy!!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

I agree fully that there's an awful lot more problems in the world to keep us occupied,but at this point in time we're debating a TV show,and whether Charlotte is a product of society? Obviously it's not her job to set a good example,if she doesn't want to,but some people will follow her example,while others will be dismayed!
However,as regards the girls you knew in uni,there's a huge difference. They were studying in order to get qualifications to pursue their chosen careers,and obviously from time to time would let off steam!?! This is Charlotte's life,and with due respect,I can't imagine her heading to uni in the near future. She seems nice enough,when she's not performing,but when performing,she's cringe-worthy!!

still important to denounce her vile behaviour as a dreadful example to the millions of impressionable people who follow her as a role model

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by the truth

still important to denounce her vile behaviour as a dreadful example to the millions of impressionable people who follow her as a role model

Agree with you 100%.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

still important to denounce her vile behaviour as a dreadful example to the millions of impressionable people who follow her as a role model

Who in this year's CBB would you prefer as a role model for young people? And why? I can understand why some people can't get on board with Charlotte but, genuinely, every single other person in there was worse, with the possible exception of Dustin Diamond, who seemed fairly normal and level headed.

The place was full of ex junkies, alcoholics, narcissists and a big ol' racist.

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by Videostar

It has been a tragic night for Britain...not just the winner but the huge support for that winner, it worries me too.

Worries me too