[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Structured? It's a bitchfest simple as, the guy gave his reasons so no matter how it's justified or dressed up the fact is it isn't happening.

And it's only a bitchfest because the same people can't stop fighting with each other all the time. It's only been seen as a bitchfest in the last year or two because of the same trivial **** that 90% of the forum userbase has no opinion on nor cares about. D'you know what my reaction was when I won a Razzie last year? I laughed and enjoyed the thread. I didn't take it personally because it's an awards ceremony that pokes fun at forum characters.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

And it's only a bitchfest because the same people can't stop fighting with each other all the time. It's only been seen as a bitchfest in the last year or two because of the same trivial **** that 90% of the forum userbase has no opinion on nor cares about. D'you know what my reaction was when I won a Razzie last year? I laughed and enjoyed the thread. I didn't take it personally because it's an awards ceremony that pokes fun at forum characters.

I don't beleve that... from what I've seen an heard it's nothing more than a forum witch-hunt.
Good for you that you laughed zee, as james said not everybody targeted takes it so lightheartedly... I thought you out of most would be able to understand that?
I'm not being made a scapegoat either here, so anyone thinking of laying any blame at my door don't.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

not everybody targeted takes it so lightheartedly

But wasn't that what opting out was for?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by reece(:

But wasn't that what opting out was for?

You would think, except the next thing was to treat those who opted out like a leper... which ever way it happened some people were going to be made to feel targeted, ridiculed, and otherwise ostracised.
I haven't been here long myself reece, but that's how I saw the razzies reading through past threads and speaking to those 'awarded'.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You would think, except the next thing was to treat those who opted out like a leper... which ever way it happened some people were going to be made to feel targeted, ridiculed, and otherwise ostracised.
I haven't been here long myself reece, but that's how I saw the razzies reading through past threads and speaking to those 'awarded'.

I understand that fair enough, what I'd do with that would be to say if someone's opted out their names are not to be mentioned again whatsoever and consequences would be to follow if someone was to keep flogging a dead horse and bringing up opt outs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I understand that fair enough, what I'd do with that would be to say if someone's opted out their names are not to be mentioned again whatsoever and consequences would be to follow if someone was to keep flogging a dead horse and bringing up opt outs.

Well, that didn't happen.
That started the 'some people' comments... 'some people' are killjoys 'some people' are trying to ruin everything 'some people' shouldn't be allowed to view the razzies!
What that meant was, we're furious we can't stick pins in you so we'll do it indirectly instead.
This is only my view understand, I'm not speaking for anyone else.
It's how it appeared to me at the time.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You would think, except the next thing was to treat those who opted out like a leper... which ever way it happened some people were going to be made to feel targeted, ridiculed, and otherwise ostracised.
I haven't been here long myself reece, but that's how I saw the razzies reading through past threads and speaking to those 'awarded'.

No only a couple of those who opted out made themselves feel like that beacuse they then carried on acting as if the razzies was effecting their lives when in all honestly nobody really cared they opted out until they kept going on and on and on about it.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't beleve that... from what I've seen an heard it's nothing more than a forum witch-hunt.
Good for you that you laughed zee, as james said not everybody targeted takes it so lightheartedly... I thought you out of most would be able to understand that?
I'm not being made a scapegoat either here, so anyone thinking of laying any blame at my door don't.

"targeted"

This is exactly what I mean Kizzy. The only reason it's seen like that is because of **** that most of us don't care about. It was never about "targeting" anyone until people with a vendetta made a song and dance about it being so, and I think that's reflected in Joeysteele's response - a bunch of people were misled and then realised that actually, the Razzies aren't this full throttle fight to the death arena that some people were making them out to be. It is not a forum witch hunt.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why people wanted to opt out, because they didn't want to be targeted. I get that that is what the status quo has become now on the forum. But it's only that way because a handful of people can't resist making digs at each other.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

"targeted"

This is exactly what I mean Kizzy. The only reason it's seen like that is because of **** that most of us don't care about. It was never about "targeting" anyone until people with a vendetta made a song and dance about it being so, and I think that's reflected in Joeysteele's response - a bunch of people were misled and then realised that actually, the Razzies aren't this full throttle fight to the death arena that some people were making them out to be. It is not a forum witch hunt.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why people wanted to opt out, because they didn't want to be targeted. I get that that is what the status quo has become now on the forum. But it's only that way because a handful of people can't resist making digs at each other.

Misled?... How was joey misled.
The razzies have gone on for 6yrs zee. Are you seriously suggesting I manipulated the whole forum against the razzies?
You contradict yourself by saying some are targeted...I know they are all I've done is point that out.
It happened before I was a member and it still happens.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Misled?... How was joey misled.
The razzies have gone on for 6yrs zee. Are you seriously suggesting I manipulated the whole forum against the razzies?
You contradict yourself by saying some are targeted...I know they are all I've done is point that out.
It happened before I was a member and it still happens.

Aah, hi Kizzy,I don't think Zee indicated I was misled, I said I misunderstood the Razzies and that was why I opted out last time.

Having seen the completed event, I thought it overall full of good humour and it was my choice to opt out but I would not if it was done this year.

It is good to laugh at yourself at times and get some less than positive banter but it was my own fault that I misunderstood the Razzies, I feel Zee only meant that maybe others too had misunderstood them from what they had heard as to the Razzies from likely many others possibly not just one person.

I opted out and never again went on the thread again during the event, I only glanced through it once the Razzies were all finished and done after a good while later.
As I said, I found them really humerous and was looking forward to them this time round.

Most things bring out in members, as I am sure you will likely agree with this too, things they agree with and things they don't.
The good thing is on most things, if we don't want to be part of something we can say so and opt out as I did last year and indeed as some do even in the Most Loved poll too.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Misled?... How was joey misled.
The razzies have gone on for 6yrs zee. Are you seriously suggesting I manipulated the whole forum against the razzies?
You contradict yourself by saying some are targeted...I know they are all I've done is point that out.
It happened before I was a member and it still happens.

Misled was perhaps the wrong word to use, I meant that he misunderstood what the Razzies really was because of all the negativity surrounding it, due to people opting out and hyping up just how awful it was supposed to be, when really it's intended as a tongue in cheek award ceremony to remind everyone of the funny and embarrassing moments over the past year.

I don't think it's your fault Kizzy, I never said that. In fact as far as the current state of affairs goes, I put the blame squarely on the bickering between the same small group of people (and all distributed evenly, I don't believe anyone is more to blame than anyone else), which then created the "opt out" phenomenon, which then fed back into the constant bickering between the same parties who cannot give it a bloody rest. I quite honestly do not give a **** about why you, Jesus and Glenn are all so determined to snipe away at each other in every thread on the forum because I like you all individually and I think you're all fantastic contributors to the forum but it just really pisses me off to see the Razzies take the flak when the real issue is not a forum awards ceremony that is based on the real life Razzie Awards but the people who cause the drama surrounding it. It's madness to suggest otherwise, in my opinion.

I don't think I'm being at all contradictory and I really didn't want to name names because it's probably going to cause more aggravation which isn't the intention at all. I'm fairly confident I speak on behalf of most of the forum when I say that none of us care why you three constantly pick fights with each other, all I really want to see is the Sports forum get worst sub forum again, is that too much to ask

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Misled was perhaps the wrong word to use, I meant that he misunderstood what the Razzies really was because of all the negativity surrounding it, due to people opting out and hyping up just how awful it was supposed to be, when really it's intended as a tongue in cheek award ceremony to remind everyone of the funny and embarrassing moments over the past year.

I don't think it's your fault Kizzy, I never said that. In fact as far as the current state of affairs goes, I put the blame squarely on the bickering between the same small group of people (and all distributed evenly, I don't believe anyone is more to blame than anyone else), which then created the "opt out" phenomenon, which then fed back into the constant bickering between the same parties who cannot give it a bloody rest. I quite honestly do not give a **** about why you, Jesus and Glenn are all so determined to snipe away at each other in every thread on the forum because I like you all individually and I think you're all fantastic contributors to the forum but it just really pisses me off to see the Razzies take the flak when the real issue is not a forum awards ceremony that is based on the real life Razzie Awards but the people who cause the drama surrounding it. It's madness to suggest otherwise, in my opinion.

I don't think I'm being at all contradictory and I really didn't want to name names because it's probably going to cause more aggravation which isn't the intention at all. I'm fairly confident I speak on behalf of most of the forum when I say that none of us care why you three constantly pick fights with each other, all I really want to see is the Sports forum get worst sub forum again, is that too much to ask

the post was alright until then

[Z]

Originally Posted by Drew.

the post was alright until then

It's been made clear to me that Shaun and Drew have been campaigning to get The Razzies cancelled to try and spare the Sports forum yet another embarrassment

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

Misled was perhaps the wrong word to use, I meant that he misunderstood what the Razzies really was because of all the negativity surrounding it, due to people opting out and hyping up just how awful it was supposed to be, when really it's intended as a tongue in cheek award ceremony to remind everyone of the funny and embarrassing moments over the past year.

I don't think it's your fault Kizzy, I never said that. In fact as far as the current state of affairs goes, I put the blame squarely on the bickering between the same small group of people (and all distributed evenly, I don't believe anyone is more to blame than anyone else), which then created the "opt out" phenomenon, which then fed back into the constant bickering between the same parties who cannot give it a bloody rest. I quite honestly do not give a **** about why you, Jesus and Glenn are all so determined to snipe away at each other in every thread on the forum because I like you all individually and I think you're all fantastic contributors to the forum but it just really pisses me off to see the Razzies take the flak when the real issue is not a forum awards ceremony that is based on the real life Razzie Awards but the people who cause the drama surrounding it. It's madness to suggest otherwise, in my opinion.

I don't think I'm being at all contradictory and I really didn't want to name names because it's probably going to cause more aggravation which isn't the intention at all. I'm fairly confident I speak on behalf of most of the forum when I say that none of us care why you three constantly pick fights with each other, all I really want to see is the Sports forum get worst sub forum again, is that too much to ask

zee, I appreciate your honesty... And I think you're great.
You're right, there are people who don't get on...
That's probably contributed to my dislike and distrust of the razzies as I can see it causing even worse confrontation on the forum.
Holding people you don't really get on with for mockery and humiliation is never going to end well is it?
That's probably why lots of people got banned following previous razzies?
I wanted to try and avoid that if I could, did I think it would rumble on for this long after?... no.