[jet]

Originally Posted by Videostar

So what has he said IN THE HOUSE that you object to? he's been very calming, funny and respectful so far, unlike Linda and certain others.

Luisa is ageist, is that better or worse than being sexist?

Didn't you hear him say if he was himself in the house he would be kicked out? I couldn't vote for someone when I don't know who they are other than the mostly negative things I have heard about them and some of which they themselves have admitted to. How can one gauge that someone has changed if they have admitted they are suppressing their real personality?

Ageism and sexism are both wrong. So is homophobia, racism and wife beating.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ive known for years that jim davidson is a nasty foul pig!!
he's sexiest, homophobic and racist!!!
and it doesnt suprise me that the pathetic weirdo is violent too
even though i dont watch BB i thought to myself why the hell are they putting a disgusting man like that in the BB house!!!
and you know something he will probably win!!! or get to the final!! that's how retarded the british public is

For a racist he got on fine with Evander. Thought you weren't watching

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

For a racist he got on fine with Evander. Thought you weren't watching

omg so just because he spoke to Evander he cant possibly be "racist"
what planet are you on???
this man has a reputation for having the most offensive backwards narrow minded views and comments!!! he's got such a viscious streak

you obviously haven't seen him on telly apart from now on CBB
ive heard him make racist jokes
ive heard him offend brian dowling on hells kitchen!! by offending gay people
that was another reality show!!!
plus he is always sexist to women but i guess because he talks to them you probably think he's a nice guy ???

he's even admitted to being a male chauvinistic pig!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I try hard not to do that Mock, however sometimes there is such a great knowledge that it is hard to change an opinion held of a celebrity no matter how they are in the house.
Such as mine concerning the Nolan lot, I never liked Colleen before she went in,then couldn't find anything from her actions in the house to make me like her.
I tried hard with Linda and for a short time, she was acting as a good and interesting housemate and I thought I may have got her wrong.
Then her mask slipped and showed her spiteful real nasty side, the one I have seen all the time before and that was that with her for me too.

However, from the opinion I had of Frankie Cocoza before he went in, he,for me anyway, behaved really well in the house and he changed my opinion as to him.

I didn't care for Dappy when he went in, however he is winning me over now and I find him a good housemate,especially since he dumped the fake romance nonsense as to Jasmine.
I liked Jasmine but now cannot be bothered with her for her antics in the house with Lee in the main, not for anything she has done outside the house.

I didn't care for Luisa on the apprentice I admit and I find her someone who seems unable to think before she speaks in the house.
I find her offensive a fair bit of the time,again however I have judged her on what I have seen of her in the house.

Lee, I liked before he went in the house but I have rarely been sickened so much by someone's pathetic obsession with sex and playing people off against each other,so again from what he has done in the house, I have changed my view of him bigtime.

As to Jim, he is supposed to be this really awful man, incapable of any change or control as was seemingly shown on the kitchen programme he took part in.
Well, for me he has shown really good control in CBB and I can only judge him on what I am now seeing in the house.
He is, (and she was the one who started it first), being pushed by Linda who likely has her own nasty agenda as to him so much, I am amazed he is showing such control.
With her, I couldn't myself I doubt.

She has said on a few occasions she doen't like him,making sure others hear her say it too then pushing to make him look bad all she can, he doesn't take the bait but if he did,I think I would still think it was justified in her case.

Also, events can affect people, it can make them think and Jim has had a difficult thing going on for the last year or more with the allegations made against him which have now been dropped and no action taken.
That can affect a person too, maybe he has learned to hold back, control his anger and be more patient too.
He will never be a saint for sure but his actions in the house so far have presented nothing to suggest he is some monster.

No one can change their past but they can build their future given the chance.
Maybe Jim sees this as his chance to put a few things to bed from his past life.
I am prepared to afford him that benefit of the doubt now and still for me, how he hasn't really blown at Linda is a mystery to me, because she is desperately waiting for him to do that and then watch for the rotten filthy vile venom that will likely come from her mouth when and if he does crack under her pressure.

Joey,you said everything I wanted to,great post .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

omg so just because he spoke to Evander he cant possibly be "racist"
what planet are you on???
this man has a reputation for having the most offensive backwards narrow minded views and comments!!! he's got such a viscious streak

you obviously haven't seen him on telly apart from now on CBB
ive heard him make racist jokes
ive heard him offend brian dowling on hells kitchen!! by offending gay people
that was another reality show!!!
plus he is always sexist to women but i guess because he talks to them you probably think he's a nice guy ???

he's even admitted to being a male chauvinistic pig!!

If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

omg so just because he spoke to Evander he cant possibly be "racist"
what planet are you on???
this man has a reputation for having the most offensive backwards narrow minded views and comments!!! he's got such a viscious streak

you obviously haven't seen him on telly apart from now on CBB
ive heard him make racist jokes
ive heard him offend brian dowling on hells kitchen!! by offending gay people
that was another reality show!!!
plus he is always sexist to women but i guess because he talks to them you probably think he's a nice guy ???

he's even admitted to being a male chauvinistic pig!!

Do you think you might need to calm down a little? but if he is such a racist surely he would have avoided Evander, other people did!!! and he had the good manners to see him off properly as well unlike others in there!

Have you decided to watch the programme then?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?

Kazanne, he admitted to wife beating and he offended a gay man on another reality show by calling him a 'shirt - lifter' and with other derogatory remarks. ITV had to apologize for his behaviour. People are NOT just going by what they read in the press.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Kazanne, he admitted to wife beating and he offended a gay man on another reality show by calling him a 'shirt - lifter' and with other derogatory remarks. ITV had to apologize for his behaviour. People are NOT just going by what they read in the press.

I understand that Jet and yes he has offended people,but surely he has the right to try and alter and put things right and I know he admitted to hitting his wife,surely that was a good thing(to admit it)and by all accounts he is married again and happily so maybe he has changed,maybe he hasn't, I just find the hatred a bit ott and he does make me laugh ,maybe I have a funny sense of humour I don't know but he has done nothing to warrant me hating him,but I do understand where you are coming from.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I understand that Jet and yes he has offended people,but surely he has the right to try and alter and put things right and I know he admitted to hitting his wife,surely that was a good thing(to admit it)and by all accounts he is married again and happily so maybe he has changed,maybe he hasn't, I just find the hatred a bit ott and he does make me laugh ,maybe I have a funny sense of humour I don't know but he has done nothing to warrant me hating him,but I do understand where you are coming from.

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm a member of the great British Public, and I like Jim - although I admit I surprised myself there. It's a ridiculous and insulting word to throw at people who don't agree with your own, rather narrow views. especially as you claim you don't even watch the show.

What do you like about Jim then? He's well known for his narrow views and insults like 'shirt - lifter'.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

What do you like about Jim then? He's well known for his narrow views and insults like 'shirt - lifter'.

Jet,you might hate me for this as others might,but I actually think that is funny,I've heard far worse.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?

Really well said Kazanne , a good balancing of the issue.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jet,you might hate me for this as others might,but I actually think that is funny,I've heard far worse.

'Course I don't hate you
It isn't the worst, if said in a jokey way to someone who knows you well enough to know you are joking.
Said in a derogatory way on a reality show along with other homophobic actions, its more than enough to get you thrown off the programme.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

All of this, a great overview there jet.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't. There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

..that's exactly how I feel...I would actually like him to talk about his past and the things he has admitted to doing, just to maybe try to get a sense of how he feels about it all now...I just haven't so far seen anything about him that would make me feel differently atm but if I did then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion and have on celebrities in the past ..there is certainly no 'OTT hatred' from me or anyone else that I have seen, I don't hate anyone and certainly not a BB housemate...someone said on BBOTS that you can't be in the house and not eventually be your 'true self'..was it Carol McGiffin..?..so if he isn't being himself then I guess we will see that soon and if he is and he has changed, then that's great for him...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that's exactly how I feel...I would actually like him to talk about his past and the things he has admitted to doing, just to maybe try to get a sense of how he feels about it all now...I just haven't so far seen anything about him that would make me feel differently atm but if I did then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion and have on celebrities in the past ..there is certainly no 'OTT hatred' from me or anyone else that I have seen, I don't hate anyone and certainly not a BB housemate...someone said on BBOTS that you can't be in the house and not eventually be your 'true self'..was it Carol McGiffin..?..so if he isn't being himself then I guess we will see that soon and if he is and he has changed, then that's great for him...

He probably would ammi if Linda would let him finish a conversation

[Kizzy]

Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.

..I do actually agree with you, Kizzy...the words that are used to describe housemates sometimes are really awful and also inaccurate a lot of the time..and with Jim I think it's also important to keep a perspective in that there are probably only a relatively few people on the forum who are not pro-Jim and only a couple of threads that I have seen as opposed to the many negative threads about other housemates, so there certainly is no OTT hate or anything but for anyone who isn't convinced by him yet..(that he's changed..)..it's for very good reason in that everything has bee self confessed by him and so far as I have seen he hasn't ever seen to show much remorse for any of it...but I guess time will tell in the house...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.

You talking about me again Kizzy you strumpet

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jet

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

That's a great post and sums up how I feel about Jim.

[starry]

I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You talking about me again Kizzy you strumpet

You and whoever else has that cockeyed view... penis eyes

[Z]

Originally Posted by Videostar

So you paraphrase him? you should (if quoting someone) get the exact words right.

Where were the quotation marks? I was paraphrasing. You're jumping on the wrong person here, I like Jim.

[jet]

Originally Posted by starry

I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.

I also take people as I perceive them on the show and rely on their own words and actions off the show and on and my conclusion is, at present, I don't like Jim Davidson.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by starry

I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.

...the reasons I have for not having much respect for Jim are nothing to do with either rumours or gossip as the posts in this thread have stated previously...