[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

your blowing this out of context. this thread is about how disappointed in how Helen is behaving meaning i don't like what she is doing to jale even though I'm no fan. I had to mention the victim business because there are my views and i did a poll about it yesterday and it would look like i was a hypocrite.slug wasn't nice thats what got me to do this thread but big brother can edit things so we don't know the full facts. Helen does need to stop drinking as she said she is a bitch, but that doesn't define her behaviour. what i'm saying is helen needs to stop and jale needs to go up to helen,pauline and toya and speak how she feels like helen and danielle did and see what happens in a nice chat(that could lead to a argument)

If someone spends alot of their time b*tching, and picking, on other people, then yes, that defines their behaviour.

Jale is being the mature person. Its up to the adult acting like a child to "man up", not the other way around

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's different when it's yourself in the firing line isn't it?

ive been bullied and i sorted the situation in a adult way

[Lostie!]

I don't think it's as simple as that for Jale to stand up for herself. I get the impression she's intimidated.

It's nice for a Helen fan to admit that she's wrong for how she's treating Jale, though.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

If someone spends alot of their time b*tching, and picking, on other people, then yes, that defines their behaviour.

Jale is being the mature person. Its up to the adult acting like a child to "man up", not the other way around

even jale sister says she is surprised she hasn't done anything! i got bullied when i was at school did i let them do it all the time? no i sorted it the mature way and since then i have not been bullied

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

ive been bullied and i sorted the situation in a adult way

Sorry to hear that, you can't compare it to being in BB though really, and it's early days, it could all be totally different tomorrow?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So being a 'nightmare' tenant somehow makes it ok to belittle and target her? being evicted several times could be for any number of reasons,it doesn't necessarily mean she is confrontational.How much of that VT is bravado anyway,like most of them

no that doesn't make her a target because of being evicted 6 times. bullies go after the weak when jale is really a strong person even her sister said she is surpised she hasn't said anything. i was bullied because i looked weak but i sorted it out doing a mature thing and bullies has stopped bullying me

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

even jale sister says she is surprised she hasn't done anything! i got bullied when i was at school did i let them do it all the time? no i sorted it the mature way and since then i have not been bullied

Good for you but it's different in such a closed off environment. If it all kicks off Jale has no place to go. She knows what total twats the bullies are looking like. Let them show themselves up for a bit longer.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sorry to hear that, you can't compare it to being in BB though really, and it's early days, it could all be totally different tomorrow?

most of the hm forget there camera's there, bb f's with your brain. if i was on big brother i would't let helen and pauline and toya speak to me like that i would go one by one and ask what there issue is and sort things out and if they be nasty again then i have to protect myself and not make me look weak to the public because i hate symphony

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Good for you but it's different in such a closed off environment. If it all kicks off Jale has no place to go. She knows what total twats the bullies are looking like. Let them show themselves up for a bit longer.

no she needs to sort this out or the public will still be annoyed that bullying is still taken place. more bullying more complaints

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

no she needs to sort this out or the public will still be annoyed that bullying is still taken place. more bullying more complaints

Why should SHE sort it out ?!.
THEY started it.
It's not her fault. She can't take responsibility for other people's actions.
You are just impossible. Blame the victim.

[Absorption]

I think most of Kefln's posts are on the money.

I suspect that whatever Jale did in response to Helen (or Pauline, for that matter) would be deliberately misconstrued by certain HMs and used as 'proof' of whatever their latest ill-conceived paranoid theory may be. Even initially promising free-thinkers like Toya seem to have fallen foul of the stupidity-drugged oxygen circulating in the house currently.

By the end of last night's show, I felt vaguely nauseated by the actions of Helen (someone who I'd never heard of before BB and, once I did a bit of googling, I thought maybe deserved a break...she seemed okay at the beginning!).

Bullying is a word that gets thrown around far too easily but by previous BB standards Helen is getting a bit too close to the line for my liking.

Of course, we'll all be bored when it's resolved but at the moment my moral compass is twitching and my conscience doesn't like it!

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

no that doesn't make her a target because of being evicted 6 times. bullies go after the weak when jale is really a strong person even her sister said she is surpised she hasn't said anything.

We have no idea why she was evicted, its not relevant in this situation.

Her sister has never seen her on national TV before...it effects people.

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

i was bullied because i looked weak but i sorted it out doing a mature thing and bullies has stopped bullying me

Sorry to hear that, but so was I, and so were a lot of people.

And the mature thing, is often the hardest thing. In this case, not sinking to Helens level.

Also most aren't bullied on national television, while isolated, with no where to go, knowing that their head is on the block every week, while their bully is safe as can be.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Why should SHE sort it out ?!.
THEY started it.
It's not her fault. She can't take responsibility for other people's actions.
You are just impossible. Blame the victim.

i'm not blaming the 'victim' bullies only go for the ones who are weak and let it happen

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

We have no idea why she was evicted, its not relevant in this situation.

Her sister has never seen her on national TV before...it effects people.


Sorry to hear that, but so was I, and so were a lot of people.

And the mature thing, is often the hardest thing. In this case, not sinking to Helens level.

Also most aren't bullied on national television, while isolated, with no where to go, knowing that their head is on the block every week, while their bully is safe as can be.

standing up for yourself doesn't mean you have to be vile back, it can be anything but she seriously does need to speak to helen and pauline to show them she isn't a weak person who takes don't take rubbish in a mature way, pauline it might be difficult with because she never lets anyone speak but if Danielle can speak to Helen and Danielle was being a adult making up, im sure Jale should do the same see where it gets her. because its hard to watch, people say jale should keep it up and let them carry on but thats awful to watch, we don't need to watch bully brother , its big brother and jale needs to have a word,hopefully it will happen this week

[RomGurl]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

i'm not blaming the 'victim' bullies only go for the ones who are weak and let it happen

I think you are a bit deluded - its not about being weak and letting it happen. Being a nice normal person doesn't stop the bullies from picking on you. And further to that when there is a pack mentality and the bully has a few supporters it's so much harder to even begin to think about "fighting back".

Helen needs to grow up and stop having her head so far up her own a**e that she thinks she has the right to intimidate and torment others

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by RomGurl

I think you are a bit deluded - its not about being weak and letting it happen. Being a nice normal person doesn't stop the bullies from picking on you. And further to that when there is a pack mentality and the bully has a few supporters it's so much harder to even begin to think about "fighting back".

Helen needs to grow up and stop having her head so far up her own a**e that she thinks she has the right to intimidate and torment others

ok then we will watch jale get bullied all the time when jale can easily have a word with jale like Christopher and Danielle did and there beef is over.

[fitz2k2]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

As a Helen fan I feel so disappointed with her by the way she has been acting towards Jale. i do feel its wrong . i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad. i do feel Jale is acting Victim still though as there is no way she is that type of person who lets anyone treat her like rubbish.Jale is 33 and should know everyone should stand up themselfs. yes she is up for eviction every week but that didn't stop Danielle arguing with Helen and it didn't stop Luisa on her cbb series. if only we can send Helen messages because i'm gutted she lost her chance of winning big brother and i'm gutted she hasn't changed her reputation as she wanted, i think it made it worst for her. She needs to step back otherwise i would like her pass revoked and given to someone nicer in the house who is Winston even though he in the final anyway

LOL you were a Helen fan

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

standing up for yourself doesn't mean you have to be vile back, it can be anything but she seriously does need to speak to helen and pauline to show them she isn't a weak person who takes don't take rubbish in a mature way, pauline it might be difficult with because she never lets anyone speak but if Danielle can speak to Helen and Danielle was being a adult making up, im sure Jale should do the same see where it gets her. because its hard to watch, people say jale should keep it up and let them carry on but thats awful to watch, we don't need to watch bully brother , its big brother and jale needs to have a word,hopefully it will happen this week

Do you know the best way not to watch "bully brother"?

Its not to have bullies.

Again, you seem much more interested in Jale not reacting, than Helen's actions. If you don't like Bullies, and you don't want to watch Bullies, then don't look for reasons to make Helen look better.

And don't blame the victim of such bulling for not lashing out.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

ok then we will watch jale get bullied all the time when jale can easily have a word with jale like Christopher and Danielle did and there beef is over.

Unless you have a crystal ball, there is no way how to predict how this will work itself out. Next week the game could completely change.

If Pauline goes and there is another shock twist, then we could have a whole different scenario in the house.

And again, if you don't like bullies, stop supporting Helen. If she isn't sticking it to Danielle, or Jale, she's b*tching about Christoper or Chris. Every week she'll pick on the most isolated person, because thats how bullies work.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

Do you know the best way not to watch "bully brother"?

Its not to have bullies.

Again, you seem much more interested in Jale not reacting, than Helen's actions. If you don't like Bullies, and you don't want to watch Bullies, then don't look for reasons to make Helen look better.

And don't blame the victim of such bulling for not lashing out.

well big brother didn't know who would be bullies did they? i'm not looking for reasons to make Helen look better because that would be impossible because she isn't. even on the poll over 50 people voted yes she should do something and 9 said no. i'm glad jale has not walked out and jale isn't on my hate list. i'm just saying in life bullies only carry on when the victim there bullying on is weak and doesn't do anything to stop because they know they can do it all the time but when someone stands up for themself it can be in a mature way it stops. look at Danielle and Helen, helen was being vile by her comments and they had a word and is there any beef between them to no not anymore. jale needs to have a sit down with helen and discuss the situation. she needs to before it gets worst!

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

Unless you have a crystal ball, there is no way how to predict how this will work itself out. Next week the game could completely change.

If Pauline goes and there is another shock twist, then we could have a whole different scenario in the house.

And again, if you don't like bullies, stop supporting Helen. If she isn't sticking it to Danielle, or Jale, she's b*tching about Christoper or Chris. Every week she'll pick on the most isolated person, because thats how bullies work.

and big brother needs to have a word with helen also

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

well big brother didn't know who would be bullies did they? i'm not looking for reasons to make Helen look better because that would be impossible because she isn't.

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

i feel she needs to step back and just ignore jale and never speak about her because its making Helen look bad.

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

even on the poll over 50 people voted yes she should do something and 9 said no. i'm glad jale has not walked out and jale isn't on my hate list. i'm just saying in life bullies only carry on when the victim there bullying on is weak and doesn't do anything to stop because they know they can do it all the time but when someone stands up for themself it can be in a mature way it stops. look at Danielle and Helen, helen was being vile by her comments and they had a word and is there any beef between them to no not anymore. jale needs to have a sit down with helen and discuss the situation. she needs to before it gets worst!

You mean that Helen isn't attacking Danielle at the moment...because she tends to have "pick on person of the day".

For all we know Jale is slowly working her way up to bursting point. Or maybe she honestly doesn't give a sh*t what the silly bint is saying.

All we really know is that Helen is a bully and a nasty piece of work. While Jale is a fairly mature and composed individual.

So why criticise the "nice" one?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

and big brother needs to have a word with helen also

She had something like 14, or 15, words with BB on her first week. And look how that slowed her down...

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

You mean that Helen isn't attacking Danielle at the moment...because she tends to have "pick on person of the day".

For all we know Jale is slowly working her way up to bursting point. Or maybe she honestly doesn't give a sh*t what the silly bint is saying.

All we really know is that Helen is a bully and a nasty piece of work. While Jale is a fairly mature and composed individual.

So why criticise the "nice" one?

because no one wants to see bullying its horrible, i'm not criticising her just saying Jale needs to sort it and Big Brother to put this bulllying gate behind and let them party. i even say Winston should get the final pass because he is the nicest person there.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by kefln

She had something like 14, or 15, words with BB on her first week. And look how that slowed her down...

that could be made up otherwise she would of been ejected by now