[Kizzy]

I feel sorry for lads though I really do, on the one hand you have Eric Prydz 'Call on me', Kylies 'sexersize' and countless other sexualised music videos,
Is it really so heinous there are blurred lines, who is really at fault here?

Marlon is not a misogynist for his 'creative visualisation', women are objectified regularly it's unfair to hold him up as an example in this way.. he saw something that got his juices flowing and he expressed it.
It was a little crude and yes it seemed to make kimberley uncomfortable, glamour is a sexist industry where women herself included place themselves in a position to be objectified.

A fantasy girl invaded his fantasy, I'm not attempting to totally exonerate him as he was insensitive but I can see how the imagery that is everywhere can have an influence, it wouldn't be doing it's job if it didn't.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I feel sorry for lads though I really do, on the one hand you have Eric Prydz 'Call on me', Kylies 'sexersize' and countless other sexualised music videos,
Is it really so heinous there are blurred lines, who is really at fault here?

Marlon is not a misogynist for his 'creative visualisation', women are objectified regularly it's unfair to hold him up as an example in this way.. he saw something that got his juices flowing and he expressed it.
It was a little crude and yes it seemed to make kimberley uncomfortable, glamour is a sexist industry where women herself included place themselves in a position to be objectified.

A fantasy girl invaded his fantasy, I'm not attempting to totally exonerate him as he was insensitive but I can see how the imagery that is everywhere can have an influence, it wouldn't be doing it's job if it didn't.

There's a time and a place to have conversations like them...men and women alike have them and that's perfectly fine, natural and to be expected, but to objectify someone when they're in earshot which makes them feel uncomfortable is degrading and out of order.

I don't think sexualised music videos or the modelling industry are to blame either, women are free to express their sexuality and I think most people are capable of making a distinction between real life and what is essentially acting. Just because women may act a certain way in music videos or porn, that doesn't give people the free reign to objectify them in their normal environments right in front of their faces. There is a difference.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a time and a place to have conversations like them...men and women alike have them and that's perfectly fine, natural and to be expected, but to objectify someone when they're in earshot which makes them feel uncomfortable is degrading and out of order.

I don't think sexualised music videos or the modelling industry are to blame either, women are free to express their sexuality and I think most people are capable of making a distinction between real life and what is essentially acting. Just because women may act a certain way in music videos or porn, that doesn't give people the free reign to objectify them in their normal environments right in front of their faces. There is a difference.

I don't believe they are expressing their sexuality, just obeying the 'sex sells' mantra from the companies ...it's the same for music, shampoo or yogurt.
I'm not absolving him totally but I feel it's a factor that the objectification of women is now becoming an accepted social norm.
I don't agree with it, but it must be confusing and here we see the product... A man who finds it hard to see women as anything but mothers or meat.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't believe they are expressing their sexuality, just obeying the 'sex sells' mantra from the companies ...it's the same for music, shampoo or yogurt.
I'm not absolving him totally but I feel it's a factor that the objectification of women is now becoming an accepted social norm.
I don't agree with it, but it must be confusing and here we see the product... A man who finds it hard to see women as anything but mothers or meat.

mmm I agree with that