[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Did you write all that by yourself? well done honey

They did objectify her a little but it was more a bravado thing, not misogyny. that word is banded around too often, true misogyny is rare.

I dont think they objectified her

She acted like a c..t, they called her a c..t

Makes perfect sense to me

[Jack_]

Kizzy's post is about Kimberly which is a separate issue that I referenced at the end of my OP

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a time and a place to have conversations like them...men and women alike have them and that's perfectly fine, natural and to be expected, but to objectify someone when they're in earshot which makes them feel uncomfortable is degrading and out of order.

I don't think sexualised music videos or the modelling industry are to blame either, women are free to express their sexuality and I think most people are capable of making a distinction between real life and what is essentially acting. Just because women may act a certain way in music videos or porn, that doesn't give people the free reign to objectify them in their normal environments right in front of their faces. There is a difference.

I don't believe they are expressing their sexuality, just obeying the 'sex sells' mantra from the companies ...it's the same for music, shampoo or yogurt.
I'm not absolving him totally but I feel it's a factor that the objectification of women is now becoming an accepted social norm.
I don't agree with it, but it must be confusing and here we see the product... A man who finds it hard to see women as anything but mothers or meat.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Kizzy's post is about Kimberly which is a separate issue that I referenced at the end of my OP

Sorry, my bad, I thought it was about the row

As far as Kimberley is concerned, she was right to talk to Marlon cause its one thing having guys ogle you on screen but another when youre in the same room.

I do like Marlon but he comes across as very immature for a 30 year old, nothing wrong with that but I think its the reason he says things like that, he's still a boy, not quite a man yet

[arista]

Originally Posted by Gerbil901

Yes a feminist I can agree with. The world must be coming to an end.

A Feminist
so rare these days

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't believe they are expressing their sexuality, just obeying the 'sex sells' mantra from the companies ...it's the same for music, shampoo or yogurt.
I'm not absolving him totally but I feel it's a factor that the objectification of women is now becoming an accepted social norm.
I don't agree with it, but it must be confusing and here we see the product... A man who finds it hard to see women as anything but mothers or meat.

mmm I agree with that

[InOne]

Toya has an absolutely horrendous personality. She uses sexism to her advantage. I noticed this when she was banging on about being 'intimidated' by Ash. Absolute nonsense.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah,Agree.Women are *****

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Sorry, my bad, I thought it was about the row

As far as Kimberley is concerned, she was right to talk to Marlon cause its one thing having guys ogle you on screen but another when youre in the same room.

I do like Marlon but he comes across as very immature for a 30 year old, nothing wrong with that but I think its the reason he says things like that, he's still a boy, not quite a man yet

I think you are maybe slightly blinkered as to how men of ANY age speak to each other and sometimes infront of women.