[mizzmee]

So, this topic may already have been brought up but I can't understand why Helen doesn't get called out on her **** by BB. They had that task and Ashleigh went up against Christopher in the challenge to know who said certain quotes.
Helen's were read and revealed to be her's and she went off on one- She never said those things, BB is twisting things, stirring, blah blah woe is me... And they bought it.
On the flip side a quote revealed to be Chris' I think about Helen and she calls him out on it, and everyone else called called out on their comments. And each of those people help up their hands and apologised. Yet, Helen goes off crying and denying and has Steve console her... I mean HELLO!??!!
How did BB let that fly? Why does she get special treatment??? How come BB did not air the audio or video to prove it, or even show Steve or anyone else that **** privately?? How come when Ashleigh/Danielle and many others had a bit of a bitch session the footage was shown?? How come Helen got to have the 'in' on what was happening and yet no one gets to have the 'in' on what she says?

It's getting obvious at this stage that Channel 5 believes that Helen = Headlines which = Money. They are doing everything to protect her in there since the moment she arrived, I believe that Channel 5 had a say in her getting the final pass which was not aired, obviously. They knew that people would instantly dislike her and the only way to keep her in was to give her the final pass.

They won't even risk having Ash up for nomination anymore now that there's less choice, just in case he went and she walked. This has become the Helen show and it is ruining it.
You can tell some people in that house are uncomfortable/intimidated by her or/and just fed up with dealing with her ****, so they act nice around her and some are reserved but I would not be surprised is most detest her, including those acting almost friendly.

Ashleigh hates her, but remains civil- quite maturely- for the sake of having to live in that house.
I think Winston is over her, I think that if she were to start rowing again he would totally snap at her.
Ash seems to be going along with her crap but seems disinterested a bit.
Chris knows exactly what she is but seems to not be a big drama guy.
Christopher gets nervous around her but can attempt to stand up for himself but seems reserved in doing so to avoid conflict.
Zoe is a dope.
Pav is probably fine but hasn't shown anything yet.
Mark, I honestly think is keeping the peace for peace sake.
I'm sure I've left people out...

Anyway, the point is these people seem so uncomfortable in there knowing that they are walking on egg shells 24/7 and for some reason Channel 5 thinks this makes great TV?!
No, it doesn't, I think the potential of comedy from Chris, Winston, Ash and maybe Ashleigh is high. I think there are moments where those guys/girl seem to actually be able to have a laugh- especially the lads to be fair and if they took out Helen I think we could have a really entertaining Big Brother but for different reasons.

And I for one am so sick of these forced drama situations in that house and Helen crap that I'd love to see them be funny or have a laugh and be relaxed.

And someone will say 'But Helen has had her funny bits lately'.... Channel 5 choose to air that because they are trying to push that bitch on us and make us feel like she had this journey and she's actually just misunderstood... No. She is a bully, forget her past, she is a bully. She could have her past and choose to be civil and nice and maybe remorseful but instead she is mean, a bully, a bitch and nasty.

Channel 5 want us to like her... Why do you think there is less drinking- or less drinking being shown to us on it now? They know she's nasty when she drinks as who she really is reveals itself.

I bet Helen has a reality TV show lined up already with Channel 5.

Ugh, I don't mind her being in there if Channel 5 were balanced about it. But they aren't and that's why I had this rant.

[jet]

A very good rant!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

A very good rant!

Yes,rant is exactly what it is,not accurate but a good rant

[joeysteele]

If Helen is doing what BB want her to and they are in fact protecting her as the opening post says, then what on earth is the comeuppance she should be getting.
No reason for any at all if that is the case.

Having said that, a fair bit of what the op summing up says is accurate I would say.

[karezza]

Because the real evil in the BB house is Ashleigh.

[Babschap]

I agree op. It's become a little like one of those situations where because they are so scared of Helen and how she is protected, the other HMs have to be friendly for their own protection. In fact Christ tonite proved that point.

[erinp5]

App vote today regarding the winning team .Helen's team lost and the losers had to be servers ,Helen is seen in the vid dancing, eating and drinking ...she didn't look like a server to me .
Anyone who thinks she will lose her pass need to get over it , it's never going to happen.
Watching tonight's show made me sick ,Helen and her journey...my ass. Helen has not changed since day one she has had 15warnings and the next time (her 16th warning ) she would be removed from the house. That and that alone is the reason for her 'change'.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by erinp5

App vote today regarding the winning team .Helen's team lost and the losers had to be servers ,Helen is seen in the vid dancing, eating and drinking ...she didn't look like a server to me .
Anyone who thinks she will lose her pass need to get over it , it's never going to happen.
Watching tonight's show made me sick ,Helen and her journey...my ass. Helen has not changed since day one she has had 15warnings and the next time (her 16th warning ) she would be removed from the house. That and that alone is the reason for her 'change'.

Loling at all these people who think they know Helen better than she does,telling us what she thinks ,give the girl a break,and was there ever any proof of 15 warnings? what were they for ?or are BB covering for her

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Babschap

I agree op. It's become a little like one of those situations where because they are so scared of Helen and how she is protected, the other HMs have to be friendly for their own protection. In fact Christ tonite proved that point.

OMG,what a load of tosh, to think that they are friends with her or want to be is because they are scared of her,LOL,I've heard it all now.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If Helen is doing what BB want her to and they are in fact protecting her as the opening post says, then what on earth is the comeuppance she should be getting.
No reason for any at all if that is the case.

Having said that, a fair bit of what the op summing up says is accurate I would say.

Some people are really going over the top now Joey,you couldn't write some of it,people seem very scared that Helen may be liked,LOL

[rubymoo]

Helen can't be held responsible for the way the shows edited, most housemates come out saying how great she is, remember we only get to see 40 mins of the house out of 24 hours, i personally think she's a nightmare, but she is human and as a human we all make mistakes. (I never thought i'd post a positive reply about Helen!)

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by erinp5

App vote today regarding the winning team .Helen's team lost and the losers had to be servers ,Helen is seen in the vid dancing, eating and drinking ...she didn't look like a server to me .
Anyone who thinks she will lose her pass need to get over it , it's never going to happen.
Watching tonight's show made me sick ,Helen and her journey...my ass. Helen has not changed since day one she has had 15warnings and the next time (her 16th warning ) she would be removed from the house. That and that alone is the reason for her 'change'.

Or changed he knickers.

[hijaxers]

I also agree with most of what OP says - I also think Helen herself will be well shocked when she watches her behaviour in the first weeks, denying she said those things because she believes she is not a nasty person . I think Helen would have been a much better HM had she not had the pass - the 'real' Helen might have shone through, as it is BB gave her the opportunity to become a complete villain ! and boy did she rise to the occasion.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Helen can't be held responsible for the way the shows edited, most housemates come out saying how great she is, remember we only get to see 40 mins of the house out of 24 hours, i personally think she's a nightmare, but she is human and as a human we all make mistakes. (I never thought i'd post a positive reply about Helen!)

At least your not blinkered ruby and can see some positives

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by mizzmee

So, this topic may already have been brought up but I can't understand why Helen doesn't get called out on her **** by BB. They had that task and Ashleigh went up against Christopher in the challenge to know who said certain quotes.
Helen's were read and revealed to be her's and she went off on one- She never said those things, BB is twisting things, stirring, blah blah woe is me... And they bought it.
On the flip side a quote revealed to be Chris' I think about Helen and she calls him out on it, and everyone else called called out on their comments. And each of those people help up their hands and apologised. Yet, Helen goes off crying and denying and has Steve console her... I mean HELLO!??!!
How did BB let that fly? Why does she get special treatment??? How come BB did not air the audio or video to prove it, or even show Steve or anyone else that **** privately?? How come when Ashleigh/Danielle and many others had a bit of a bitch session the footage was shown?? How come Helen got to have the 'in' on what was happening and yet no one gets to have the 'in' on what she says?

It's getting obvious at this stage that Channel 5 believes that Helen = Headlines which = Money. They are doing everything to protect her in there since the moment she arrived, I believe that Channel 5 had a say in her getting the final pass which was not aired, obviously. They knew that people would instantly dislike her and the only way to keep her in was to give her the final pass.

They won't even risk having Ash up for nomination anymore now that there's less choice, just in case he went and she walked. This has become the Helen show and it is ruining it.
You can tell some people in that house are uncomfortable/intimidated by her or/and just fed up with dealing with her ****, so they act nice around her and some are reserved but I would not be surprised is most detest her, including those acting almost friendly.

Ashleigh hates her, but remains civil- quite maturely- for the sake of having to live in that house.
I think Winston is over her, I think that if she were to start rowing again he would totally snap at her.
Ash seems to be going along with her crap but seems disinterested a bit.
Chris knows exactly what she is but seems to not be a big drama guy.
Christopher gets nervous around her but can attempt to stand up for himself but seems reserved in doing so to avoid conflict.
Zoe is a dope.
Pav is probably fine but hasn't shown anything yet.
Mark, I honestly think is keeping the peace for peace sake.
I'm sure I've left people out...

Anyway, the point is these people seem so uncomfortable in there knowing that they are walking on egg shells 24/7 and for some reason Channel 5 thinks this makes great TV?!
No, it doesn't, I think the potential of comedy from Chris, Winston, Ash and maybe Ashleigh is high. I think there are moments where those guys/girl seem to actually be able to have a laugh- especially the lads to be fair and if they took out Helen I think we could have a really entertaining Big Brother but for different reasons.

And I for one am so sick of these forced drama situations in that house and Helen crap that I'd love to see them be funny or have a laugh and be relaxed.

And someone will say 'But Helen has had her funny bits lately'.... Channel 5 choose to air that because they are trying to push that bitch on us and make us feel like she had this journey and she's actually just misunderstood... No. She is a bully, forget her past, she is a bully. She could have her past and choose to be civil and nice and maybe remorseful but instead she is mean, a bully, a bitch and nasty.

Channel 5 want us to like her... Why do you think there is less drinking- or less drinking being shown to us on it now? They know she's nasty when she drinks as who she really is reveals itself.

I bet Helen has a reality TV show lined up already with Channel 5.

Ugh, I don't mind her being in there if Channel 5 were balanced about it. But they aren't and that's why I had this rant.

Helen is the show and the rest are bit part players, her extras!

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

At least your not blinkered ruby and can see some positives

I really do believe she's her own worst enemy, and i do believe that actually out of all the housemates she may well have learnt the most about herself (just waiting now for the lynch mob)

[CaudleHalbard]

Because basically she is a nice person?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Because basically she is a nice person?

I wouldn't go that far but like anyone else she does have her positives and negatives, she just has more negatives to work on!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some people are really going over the top now Joey,you couldn't write some of it,people seem very scared that Helen may be liked,LOL

Very true Kazanne, she can be her own worst enemy, she should think more before she speaks but that doesn't make her a bad person and she has been from the very first day in ym view compulsive viewing,both positively and negatively.

[mizzmee]

I know my rant was very.... ranty but my actual point was not ultimately Helen bashing. Its BB bashing. Helen is a bully and did vile things in there and I think it's a damn shame that the media aka channel 5 in this case believes that the nasty bully is the one worth saving. I hate that they feel that it is OK to portray women in that way. If any of the lads got up in the face of a male or female in there the way Helen has they would have been gone long ago, and rightly so. Yet Channel 5 see having a total bitch as a positive. And then they give her special treatment to try forCE this perception she has been on some bullsh!t journey.
They clearly have favouritism in there. Big Brother used to be a social experiment, now it's just trying to find a way to make money out of the housemates. You know there are rumblings Helen and Ash had sex a few times but it was never aired, I'm guessing because it didn't work out so well for Kim and Steve re the public opinion.
Why choose to put Danielle‘s past on blast, who I didn't really like but whose past was nothing compared to Helen's, but not Helen's past? Maybe Rooney could sue if his name was used but if BB didNT want to use Helen they would have given as much details as they could get away with.
BB have a plan for Helen, they had one from day one, the ultimate redemption story but it back fired as she is a total b!tch with booze, so they cut back the booze and she probably got called into the Diary room and was told she needs to be careful with her behaviour, unaired and hence the turnaround in her actions, kinda the bitch sneaks out at times still.
The only way I will change my view is if BB choose to show the housemates what she really like, or have ex housemates like Steve come back and blast her.... if they don't do that and balance things out I will continue to believe the thing is a fix and voters are wasting their time and money getting involved.

[bots]

I think a little perspective is required. She had some warnings for her less than stellar behavior. Plenty housemates have had similar in the past. and taken it further requiring ejection from the house. Helen never broke any laws, never hit anyone etc etc. Helen has at least controlled the problem, either by herself or by circumstance.

If her goal on entering big brother was to win it, its not very likely, so whether she gets a pass to the final or not is largely irrelevant.

I think its much more interesting to see what little games and strategies the others have now that they see a clear path to the final and possibly winning - that's the entertainment for me.

[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think a little perspective is required. She had some warnings for her less than stellar behavior. Plenty housemates have had similar in the past. and taken it further requiring ejection from the house. Helen never broke any laws, never hit anyone etc etc. Helen has at least controlled the problem, either by herself or by circumstance.

If her goal on entering big brother was to win it, its not very likely, so whether she gets a pass to the final or not is largely irrelevant.

I think its much more interesting to see what little games and strategies the others have now that they see a clear path to the final and possibly winning - that's the entertainment for me.

I don't disagree with you but my biggest gripe is how unbalanced the show is. Look I don't care if Helen is left there till the final at this stage. This time next year she will be like most other contestants, a distant memory who shows up in the odd magazine or channel 5 panel show.
The thing is if BB want to boast about Armageddon week or whatever they should make it balanced. It's tough to watch one group, the quieter ones, constantly placed in awkward situations and that spotlight never placed on the other gang. It's just uncomfortable to see BB go along with picking on the quiet group. They all bitch, show them all bitching or show none. Make a twist that affects Ash or Helen or have no twists at all. They should balance it out.
If any of you were bullied growing up you would find some of the stuff happening in there uncomfortable.

[bots]

Can't disagree with that either, the production has been completely unbalanced, and is my biggest gripe with this series. What will be interesting is if the GBP take account of that and vote accordingly, proving that they can't be manipulated so easily .... we will see

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by mizzmee

I don't disagree with you but my biggest gripe is how unbalanced the show is. Look I don't care if Helen is left there till the final at this stage. This time next year she will be like most other contestants, a distant memory who shows up in the odd magazine or channel 5 panel show.
The thing is if BB want to boast about Armageddon week or whatever they should make it balanced. It's tough to watch one group, the quieter ones, constantly placed in awkward situations and that spotlight never placed on the other gang. It's just uncomfortable to see BB go along with picking on the quiet group. They all bitch, show them all bitching or show none. Make a twist that affects Ash or Helen or have no twists at all. They should balance it out.
If any of you were bullied growing up you would find some of the stuff happening in there uncomfortable.

You have three weeks to assemble your firing squad.

[poppsywoppsy]

I agree mizzmee

Helen does rule the edits by her nasty behaviour which is what BB seems only to be interested in apart from sex by the odious Steverley.

The others are only allowed to be bit players to her mood of the day.

Thank goodness for Ashleigh, the only one who can make Helen back pedal as she knows going after an 18 year old will be her demise.

Don't think Helen is in there for anything more than an ego trip but she has failed greatly in her new persona repatriation after her lurid past as a prostitute involved in court cases.