[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

Not until you brought it up though...which is why I don't really understand where you are going with your points that are in reply to my quotes.

It's a fact that some old people do become rude and grumpy.

It might be a fact, but it doesn't make it okay, which a lot of people seem to disagree with.
I'm just saying, people who say that people dislike Gary because of his disabilities are ridiculous, i'm not saying you're one of those people, but i was just using your post as an example.
We're never going to see eye to eye about Gary, but it's getting increasingly annoying to see people try to excuse his behaviour with his disabilities.. again, not pointed at you

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

It might be a fact, but it doesn't make it okay, which a lot of people seem to disagree with.
I'm just saying, people who say that people dislike Gary because of his disabilities are ridiculous, i'm not saying you're one of those people, but i was just using your post as an example.
We're never going to see eye to eye about Gary, but it's getting increasingly annoying to see people try to excuse his behaviour with his disabilities.. again, not pointed at you

Umm people have actually posted on this forum they are sick hearing about Gary's hearing problems, and also go on to say he doesn't do any cooking/cleaning and he got excused from sleeping outside so he shouldn't be in the house, which is total discrimination btw, that was the point of my post above, nothing at all to do with rudeness.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

Umm people have actually posted on this forum they are sick hearing about Gary's hearing problems, and also go on to say he doesn't do any cooking/cleaning and he got excused from sleeping outside so he shouldn't be in the house, which is total discrimination btw, that was the point of my post above, nothing at all to do with rudeness.

I fail to see how that is discrimination.. People also say that they're sick of hearing about Kellie's transition, that isn't discriminatory and she can't help that. the same as Gary can't help his deafness, so if people are using Gary's deafness as an excuse for his behaviour as people are using Kellie's transition as an excuse for hers, then i don't see why people aren't entitled to say that they're fed up of hearing about it without being labeled as discriminatory
But i do agree with you about the sleeping outside bit, it was right that he was taken out of that.. but, i doubt his hearing issues or his brain injuries would stop him from being able to wash a few dishes here and there.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I fail to see how that is discrimination.. People also say that they're sick of hearing about Kellie's transition, that isn't discriminatory and she can't help that. the same as Gary can't help his deafness, so if people are using Gary's deafness as an excuse for his behaviour as people are using Kellie's transition as an excuse for hers, then i don't see why people aren't entitled to say that they're fed up of hearing about it without being labeled as discriminatory
But i do agree with you about the sleeping outside bit, it was right that he was taken out of that.. but, i doubt his hearing issues or his brain injuries would stop him from being able to wash a few dishes here and there.

Its discrimination saying someone with a disability shouldn't be in the house.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

Its discrimination saying someone with a disability shouldn't be in the house.

Yes.. but i haven't seen anyone say that, people have said that he shouldn't be in there if he isn't up to the job of doing the things that everyone needs to do, i personally don't feel this as I've seen that he is quite capable of doing things for himself, he just doesn't need to.. but i can see where people are coming from when they say that, It's not exactly fair on the others if he's in there getting a free ride while everyone else has to play every part of the show and he get's excused from things.
You have to see it from both points of view, not just the one in front of you.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Yes.. but i haven't seen anyone say that, people have said that he shouldn't be in there if he isn't up to the job of doing the things that everyone needs to do, i personally don't feel this as I've seen that he is quite capable of doing things for himself, he just doesn't need to.. but i can see where people are coming from when they say that, It's not exactly fair on the others if he's in there getting a free ride while everyone else has to play every part of the show and he get's excused from things.
You have to see it from both points of view, not just the one in front of you.

I have though and that's why I posted what I did.

Gary has only ever been excused from one task, I wouldn't say it was unfair on the others that he never slept outside, he took part in the rest of that task just like anyone else.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I have though and that's why I posted what I did.

Gary has only ever been excused from one task, I wouldn't say it was unfair on the others that he never slept outside, he took part in the rest of that task just like anyone else.

Again, I'm not watching it but seriously people complaining because BB didn't force a 70 year old to sleep outside? Shame on them

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

I have though and that's why I posted what I did.

Gary has only ever been excused from one task, I wouldn't say it was unfair on the others that he never slept outside, he took part in the rest of that task just like anyone else.

No i don't think it's unfair to the others to not make him sleep outside either, but what i think most people have a problem with, is if Big Brother think he's so fragile that he can't sleep outside, or so much so that they asked a housemate to look after him, why was he allowed in the house.. the other celebrities aren't there to look after someone else, so i don't think they should be expected to.
I personally think Gary is capable of doing more for himself that he is doing, if they all left him to his own devices, I'm pretty sure he'd manage fine.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Yes.. but i haven't seen anyone say that, people have said that he shouldn't be in there if he isn't up to the job of doing the things that everyone needs to do, i personally don't feel this as I've seen that he is quite capable of doing things for himself, he just doesn't need to.. but i can see where people are coming from when they say that, It's not exactly fair on the others if he's in there getting a free ride while everyone else has to play every part of the show and he get's excused from things.
You have to see it from both points of view, not just the one in front of you.

He is entertaining the heck out of me and that is the job.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by jaxie

He is entertaining the heck out of me and that is the job.

Okay..
I'm glad, he's entertaining me too.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Josy

Its discrimination saying someone with a disability shouldn't be in the house.

why not? I did not see many with disabilities in the footy world cup finals

...........that's life

Mark L