[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..only yesterday I read his family were trying to negotiate/talk to them directly but you just knew that it would be hopeless...ugghhhh, to actually see their children killed this way, for their children's lives to become nothing more than a 'message', it's completely inhumane...I couldn't even begin to know how they must feel...how can people who have families themselves ever do something like this...

I am not aggressive at all really but you cannot talk to, reason or negotiate with these people, they are just the worst sort of barbarians and shouldn't be in existence.

I'd support any Governments moves,all over the World, to clear this rotten scum off the face of the Earth for good, even if that means talking to and enlisting the help of other leaders of Nations we would prefer were not in power.

If the likes of these evil beings are what could take over from them then no thank you and it is time,(it was after the murder of the poor Soldier last year), to get moving and act swiftly and stop the daft meetings and endless talking shops and 'do' something.

Also for me, in this Country, we all in the UK should have the right to see clearly the faces and people we are going onto shops with, on buses and trains with and who we are walking in public with.

If those religious leaders who think that is an infringement of anyones human rights then they themselves should be doing a great deal more to help get rid of this scum that is murdering people,not linked in any way to any armed forces,in such a barbaric and public way.

What this poor man's family must be going through now, doesn't bear imagining.
They along with him are now owed much better and the only thing is to get these people out of action for good.
That is down to Govts, intelligence cooperation worldwide,no more yapping as to it, just get things done and quick too.

[bots]

They are trying to bring America and the UK into a fight with them, and to create disruption in our countries.

The only true solution, in my opinion, is for there to be proper stabilised governments in Iraq and Syria, as that is the only reason they are growing at the moment. There is no short term solution to this

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not aggressive at all really but you cannot talk to, reason or negotiate with these people, they are just the worst sort of barbarians and shouldn't be in existence.

I'd support any Governments moves,all over the World, to clear this rotten scum off the face of the Earth for good, even if that means talking to and enlisting the help of other leaders of Nations we would prefer were not in power.

If the likes of these evil beings are what could take over from them then no thank you and it is time,(it was after the murder of the poor Soldier last year), to get moving and act swiftly and stop the daft meetings and endless talking shops and 'do' something.

Also for me, in this Country, we all in the UK should have the right to see clearly the faces and people we are going onto shops with, on buses and trains with and who we are walking in public with.

If those religious leaders who think that is an infringement of anyones human rights then they themselves should be doing a great deal more to help get rid of this scum that is murdering people,not linked in any way to any armed forces,in such a barbaric and public way.

What this poor man's family must be going through now, doesn't bear imagining.
They along with him are now owed much better and the only thing is to get these people out of action for good.
That is down to Govts, intelligence cooperation worldwide,no more yapping as to it, just get things done and quick too.

well said, Joey!

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not aggressive at all really but you cannot talk to, reason or negotiate with these people, they are just the worst sort of barbarians and shouldn't be in existence.

I'd support any Governments moves,all over the World, to clear this rotten scum off the face of the Earth for good, even if that means talking to and enlisting the help of other leaders of Nations we would prefer were not in power.

If the likes of these evil beings are what could take over from them then no thank you and it is time,(it was after the murder of the poor Soldier last year), to get moving and act swiftly and stop the daft meetings and endless talking shops and 'do' something.

Also for me, in this Country, we all in the UK should have the right to see clearly the faces and people we are going onto shops with, on buses and trains with and who we are walking in public with.

If those religious leaders who think that is an infringement of anyones human rights then they themselves should be doing a great deal more to help get rid of this scum that is murdering people,not linked in any way to any armed forces,in such a barbaric and public way.

What this poor man's family must be going through now, doesn't bear imagining.
They along with him are now owed much better and the only thing is to get these people out of action for good.
That is down to Govts, intelligence cooperation worldwide,no more yapping as to it, just get things done and quick too.

Great post Joey, completely agree!

We do need to rid the world of this scum.

[arista]

The PM is talking Fantasy
saying he will get the Beheader John
- like he will go in peace with any SAS?
He will blow himself up and the troops trying to get him
to be honest

http://news.sky.com/story/1335672/pm...haines-killers



New UK Hostage Held By IS Named As Alan Henning

http://news.sky.com/story/1335770/uk...s-alan-henning

[arista]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

They need bombing out of existence.

But you would have to kill
innocents near them at the same time of the bombs,
that will not work.

Look at Iraq

[Sticks]

Maybe why we should not be involved with the Americans, after all it has been their policy of air strikes that caused these executions.

[joeysteele]

These creatures from IS, shouldn't be taking hostages in the first place,these hostages that have been murdered, it annoys me when they say on the news they have executed them, were taken ages ago,well over a year or more ago, they never had any intention of freeing them no matter what anyone did or didn't do.

This guy murdered today was just an aid worker for goodness sake, how do you have any chance of reasoning with the vile scum that murdered him other than ensuring by whatever means that they cannot murder or even take hostages again.

[Kizzy]

That's what ISIS and other terrorists don't understand, it means nothing to David Cameron if people are killed.
In fact if he's wanting to go to war then the media attention will get everybody behind it.

[Sticks]

We used to say that about the IRA, now they get invites to Buckingham Palace.

Maybe time to talk to IS and recognise them defacto as a legitimate state.

That's what we always end up doing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's what ISIS and other terrorists don't understand, it means nothing to David Cameron if people are killed.
In fact if he's wanting to go to war then the media attention will get everybody behind it.

But he must take a Parliament Vote on this
again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But he must take a Parliament Vote on this
again

I don't care what he does as to Parliament,he needs to stop the talking and do something.
Blow a Parliament vote, that should be a given anyway, all he needs to be sure of is support from the Labour party,of course the Lib Dems may drag their heels but he won't need them.
I would like to see Ed Miliband untie the PM's hands as to this Parliament issue before action.
If he knew he had that support, surely he could and would act but get moving as to it.

For once on an issue, he would have my full support to really make things happen as to getting rid of these vile barbarians.
Instead of meeting after meeting,act rather than just talk about it.
Also at those meetings are the same things being gone through again that all the meetings held after the Lee Rigby murder had discussed.

Nothing has really been done since that in the near 18 months since it took place,it is time for this PM to stop procrastinating and show some real statesman courage and leadership,and get everyone he can on board to deal with these creatures.

It is something he should have done last year after Lee's horrific murder on an English street anyway, instead of sitting on his hands with the 'tomorrow is another day' attitude.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't care what he does as to Parliament,he needs to stop the talking and do something.
Blow a Parliament vote, that should be a given anyway, all he needs to be sure of is support from the Labour party,of course the Lib Dems may drag their heels but he won't need them.
I would like to see Ed Miliband untie the PM's hands as to this Parliament issue before action.
If he knew he had that support, surely he could and would act but get moving as to it.

For once on an issue, he would have my full support to really make things happen as to getting rid of these vile barbarians.
Instead of meeting after meeting,act rather than just talk about it.
Also at those meetings are the same things being gone through again that all the meetings held after the Lee Rigby murder had discussed.

Nothing has really been done since that in the near 18 months since it took place,it is time for this PM to stop procrastinating and show some real statesman courage and leadership,and get everyone he can on board to deal with these creatures.

It is something he should have done last year after Lee's horrific murder on an English street anyway, instead of sitting on his hands with the 'tomorrow is another day' attitude.

Joey
so you want UK Air Bombs
Killing the public as well?
you have now gone Neo Conservative
I am in Shock

[joeysteele]

I want to see this organisation obliterated ,yes,whatever it may take. I believe some concensus can be found with the majority of Middle East leaders too and it is time, now that British aid workers are being murdered to get a move on as to achieving that aim.

I hate war and conflict but this is something that will actually help the Middle East countries too if this organisation was effectively dealt with.

Enough really is enough.

[Amy Jade]

This whole situation makes me so angry.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I want to see this organisation obliterated ,yes,whatever it may take. I believe some concensus can be found with the majority of Middle East leaders too and it is time, now that British aid workers are being murdered to get a move on as to achieving that aim.

I hate war and conflict but this is something that will actually help the Middle East countries too if this organisation was effectively dealt with.

Enough really is enough.

No Joey
No way do I agree you Murder innocents
near the Terrorists
that just makes it worse
look at Iraq

You are Crazy

[Ninastar]

i've seen comments about how we should just 'nuke' them and I personally don't think that's right. So many innocent people would be killed

I think we need to send people in and take them out one by one, or w.e.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

i've seen comments about how we should just 'nuke' them and I personally don't think that's right. So many innocent people would be killed

I think we need to send people in and take them out one by one, or w.e.

No American Public
and the President have said no troops on the ground
Just Air Bombs

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by arista

No American Public
and the President have said no troops on the ground
Just Air Bombs

dumb idea IMO

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No Joey
No way do I agree you Murder innocents
near the Terrorists
that just makes it worse
look at Iraq

You are Crazy

I am actually surprised at my own stance at this too,however I was really furious at the murder of Lee Rigby last year and now I am again, both for the American journalists murdered and now this British aid worker with an almost certain one more to follow at least.

How many other innocents like these hostages have to be murdered before govts. of the World see that this organisation is a threat to anyone,anywhere who are not of their thinking.

Innocent unarmed people, just helping or doing their job are being murdered by these creatures now.
My patience for one, and in fact I think possibly across the Country too,has well and truly run out.

They don't show any compassion for the murdered victims families, they strip the victim of their dignity and publicly by making a video showing the murder of same too while hiding behind having their faces masked.
Evil, absolutely evil, as the old quote goes more or less, for evil to thrive the good just have to do nothing.

Which is what we have done since Lee's murder last year, nothing.

[Novo]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...attack-abroad/

He isn't happy with them

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am actually surprised at my own stance at this too,however I was really furious at the murder of Lee Rigby last year and now I am again, both for the American journalists murdered and now this British aid worker with an almost certain one more to follow at least.

How many other innocents like these hostages have to be murdered before govts. of the World see that this organisation is a threat to anyone,anywhere who are not of their thinking.

Innocent unarmed people, just helping or doing their job are being murdered by these creatures now.
My patience for one, and in fact I think possibly across the Country too,has well and truly run out.

They don't show any compassion for the murdered victims families, they strip the victim of their dignity and publicly by making a video showing the murder of same too while hiding behind having their faces masked.
Evil, absolutely evil, as the old quote goes more or less, for evil to thrive the good just have to do nothing.

Which is what we have done since Lee's murder last year, nothing.

So like when America Carpet Bombed Iraq
you want that?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

So like when America Carpet Bombed Iraq
you want that?

No, I am not advocating that at all and nowhere have I indicated so although I have said whatever it takes to clear the World of these beings then I would likely support it.

I have said we should be dealing with leaders we maybe would not like to but to whom this organisation is as big a threat to them as to our citizens.

Doing nothing but talking is not the answer, David Cameron should have been agreeing a stance with Ed Miliband after Lee's shocking horrific murder last year.

I will ask this point of you however, while adding that just sometimes desperate situations call for desperate and less than satisfactory solutions.
Do you really think if these creatures came here to any of our cities that they would concern themselves as to how many innocent people or Children would be killed because of their actions to 'make their point'.
I am sure the answer is no to that,it is for me for certain.

It is time for all who are genuinely appalled at this organisation to in any small way or major way take action to help get rid of them.
We have had 3 murders at the hands of these idiots and likely another to follow,all happening while we talk.
The only people who can stop doing this are the ones doing it and they are also the only people we cannot talk to and reason with.

I am really mad that innocent lives are being taken like this,how many more before someone takes the lead and does something with and from whatever leaders and whatever support they can get from them too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, I am not advocating that at all and nowhere have I indicated so although I have said whatever it takes to clear the World of these beings then I would likely support it.

I have said we should be dealing with leaders we maybe would not like to but to whom this organisation is as big a threat to them as to our citizens.

Doing nothing but talking is not the answer, David Cameron should have been agreeing a stance with Ed Miliband after Lee's shocking horrific murder last year.

I will ask this point of you however, while adding that just sometimes desperate situations call for desperate and less than satisfactory solutions.
Do you really think if these creatures came here to any of our cities that they would concern themselves as to how many innocent people or Children would be killed because of their actions to 'make their point'.
I am sure the answer is no to that,it is for me for certain.

It is time for all who are genuinely appalled at this organisation to in any small way or major way take action to help get rid of them.
We have had 3 murders at the hands of these idiots and likely another to follow,all happening while we talk.
The only people who can stop doing this are the ones doing it and they are also the only people we cannot talk to and reason with.

I am really mad that innocent lives are being taken like this,how many more before someone takes the lead and does something with and from whatever leaders and whatever support they can get from them too.

Yes I know
but the only way to ensure you kill all
the terrorists
is by carpet bombing
which then kills innocents with them.