[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't think women need to take some responsibility for their own safety? Shouldn't drunk drivers be treated in the same way then, when they crash a car and injur themselves?

No, drunk drivers are essentially in charge of a weapon and are liable to injure not only themselves but other people if they choose to drink and drive. Also, drink driving is illegal, getting drunk in general is not. Should people try to keep themselves safe? of course they should. Should people accept any blame when they're raped, attacked, robbed etc No, that always goes fully to the perpetrator of the crime imo

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are degrees there too. Beheading someone with a chainsaw is a worse way to die than say being shot in the back of the head at close range

I know there is, that wasn't the point I was making in my previous post though

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, drunk drivers are essentially in charge of a weapon and are liable to injury not only themselves but other people if they choose to drink and drive. Also, drink driving is illegal, getting drunk in general is not. Should people try to keep themselves safe? of course they should. Should people accept any blame when they're raped, attacked, robbed etc No, that always goes fully to the perpetrator of the crime imo

Exactly, maybe teach men not to rape women rather than teaching women not to get drunk because they could be attacked