[user104658]

Err.. So because everyone says it that suddenly makes it all fine and dandy? Not following the logic to be honest. "Most people" do all sorts of stupid, vulgar ****. No, most people don't do it with racist intent. They don't do it because they're racist. They do it because they're simple minded and ignorant. Since when is being ignorant acceptable?

Meh. All I can say is, as a Scottish person who lived in North England for 3 years, being repeatedly referred to as "Scotch" really did my tits in. I wasn't crying myself to sleep over it or anything, but I'd honestly have happily given anyone who said it a slap in the chops for saying it if I thought I could get away with it... Especially when it came along with a good old cultural stereotype, "haw haw haw you're Scotch where's your bagpipes haw haw I bet you love haggis". How about, go and **** yourself? Is that an appropriate response?

So yeah. I get that it's just words and I don't think it should be a legal matter or anything or like that but... How about just... DON'T use words like ****, chinky or "jock"? Is it really going to be a massive inconvenience to anyone to just ****ing not?

[MTVN]

Don't think it's a northern thing tbh, seems fairly countrywide, the sort of language that was commonplace on a show like Only Fools and Horses but it is inappropriate now, even if the majority who use it don't do so with malicious intent

[Shaun]

Yeah I've heard the word used quite a lot down here (Torbay, can't get much more southern )

The word makes me cringe. I'm not sure if that's more out of it being a pointless kind-of nickname like whenever I wince when someone refers to a postman as a postie, or if it's out of people using it derogatorily.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

No it is not in my opinion.
The issue in discussion is the UKIP members indiscretion no other sociopolitical issues, my opinion on that is that he was wrong and deserved to be expected to stand down.

Yes that is the issue in discussion, but I merely responded to your response to my post.

And, as I said in my first post that this chump is not the type of person we want in politics, the police or any 'official' body then - once again - you seem to be finding fault in one of my posts where there is none and arguing with yourself.

So, although I agreed he was wrong and deserved to be 'stood down', my main point in my original post is that this is being blown up out of all proportion considering how trivial it is weighed against all the really serious issues in this ****ty world, and how I am fecking sick of PC driven drivel eclipsing those serious issues.

In support of what I contend, consider the following:

Liverpool : PC Neil Doyle Dies After Assault - 3 posts
Cuba and America kiss and make up – 2 posts
Cairns Deaths: Eight children murdered in Australian home – 6 posts

While this ****ty load of crap has attracted 27 posts.

I rest my case.

[T*]

Originally Posted by YaFilthyAnimal

I do wish the anti-UKIP stories we see an abundance of were to do with their policies rather than what some nobody councillor might've said in what he thought was private. All these "omg they're racist!" stories do - even if they are accurate - is alienate people from the left.

[joeysteele]

I am glad he is gone as others have said, these people who even have thoughts that are probably seen as offensive and discriminatory to others have no place in politics.

This man was aspiring to be elected as a MP to Parliament, we need Parliament cleaned up not soiled even more with people like this.

I am just glad he was exposed as to his probable thoughts and possible prejudices before the voters were fooled into electing another undesirable to Parliament
So I say again, good riddance to him and all like him too.
I do still believe it will be the case that a good number of UKIP 'candidates' will probably find themselves in similar situations and that Nigel Farage will likely be spending a lot of time dealing with the 'unsavoury' comments of same.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I dont know anyone who says 'Off for a chinky' anymore. I think this kind of language is out of date. As are the people who talk like this

The scrutiny Ukip are under is completely justified. Their policies are virtually non-existent so we can only go by the caliber of people they want to put in office and if this is an example then they must never get any power

Really

Why?

[smudgie]

Going for a Chinese takeaway is still very much called going to the Chinkies in these parts.
Like all the people I know that use it, I have never thought of it as anything but a shortened nickname.
However having seen a Chinese gentleman in the news sayng how offensive he finds it, I will refrain in future.
I suppose it is ignorance in part, but really don't think most people use it to offend.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by YaFilthyAnimal

Yeah I've heard the word used quite a lot down here (Torbay, can't get much more southern )

The word makes me cringe. I'm not sure if that's more out of it being a pointless kind-of nickname like whenever I wince when someone refers to a postman as a postie, or if it's out of people using it derogatorily.

Can I come and stay with you?

[Mystic Mock]

I'm from the Midlands and I know people that say that they're “off for a chinky.”

And with UKIP, MP's have said way worse than this in that party before yet it gets brushed under the carpet rather quickly by the right wing media, tbh I wouldn't be surprised if this is not mind wiped in a weeks time as if it never happened.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Really

Why?

Yes

Cuz of their lack of policies.

[Niall]

I find it hilarious how more and more of these racist/homophobic/generally disgusting fucks keep getting exposed for the human scum that they are. I hope it's shocking the idiotic public into not voting such garbage in next May.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niall

I find it hilarious how more and more of these racist/homophobic/generally disgusting fucks keep getting exposed for the human scum that they are. i hope it's shocking the idiotic public into not voting such garbage in next May.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if i was going for a chinky thats what i would say but i hate that food so would never.

As for Poofter, come on its quaint but hardly offensive

What Nigel said was spot on, as per.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niall

I find it hilarious how more and more of these racist/homophobic/generally disgusting fucks keep getting exposed for the human scum that they are. I hope it's shocking the idiotic public into not voting such garbage in next May.

I fond it hilarious that people who vent bile and anger at people who they dislike end up sounding just like them....

"idiotic public"


smh

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Yes

Cuz of their lack of policies.

Why would they publish all their policies so far from the election?

are you familiar with UK politics?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Why would they publish all their policies so far from the election?

are you familiar with UK politics?

Some will do. We dont know any.

Quite familiar. Are you?

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

I fond it hilarious that people who vent bile and anger at people who they dislike end up sounding just like them....

"idiotic public"


smh

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks a racist, homophobic and bigoted party is the correct choice for this nation is a profound moron. I don't care how rude that is, it's the facts. And if every person had plainly exposed to them just how bigoted and disgusting this pathetic excuse for a party is then I'm sure they wouldn't be supporting it.

People only support them because of the huge sway they've had over the media, as the right tends to have. Wipe away that media campaign and reveal them for what they truly are and no decent person would dare touch them. They are absolute poison.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niall

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks a racist, homophobic and bigoted party is the correct choice for this nation is a profound moron. I don't care how rude that is, it's the facts. And if every person had plainly exposed to them just how bigoted and disgusting this pathetic excuse for a party is then I'm sure they wouldn't be supporting it.

People only support them because of the incredibly sway they have over the media, as the right tends to have. Wipe away that media campaign and reveal them for what they truly are and no decent person would dare touch them. They are absolute poison.

Yes, you are right and the millions of ukip supporters are wrong

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Yes, you are right and the millions of ukip supporters are wrong

Well yes, the racist and homophobic policies of UKIP are wrong. So, by extension all of those people are too wrong in addition to being stupid for believing they aren't wrong.

Anything else you'd like me to confirm for you today?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niall

Well yes, the racist and homophobic policies of UKIP are wrong. So, by extension all of those people are too wrong in addition to being stupid for believing they aren't wrong.

Anything else you'd like me to confirm for you today?

yes which racist and homophobic policies?

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

yes which racist and homophobic policies?

They oppose same sex marriage? And I don't even need to start deconstructing their immigration policies because we all know it's fuelled by the xenophobic concept that immigrants 'degrade' this country.

Next!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niall

They oppose same sex marriage? And I don't even need to start deconstructing their immigration policies because we all know it's fuelled by the xenophobic concept that immigrants 'degrade' this country.

Next!

"In a statement issued a week ago, Ukip said. "There is an ongoing debate within Ukip about how we can protect faith communities from ultimately being compelled to conduct same-sex marriages against their beliefs and their will. We note that some gay rights activists are already talking about taking legal action in Strasbourg to force this issue."

He has also called for a move towards the French marriage system, where the legal act of marriage is separated from religious ceremonies.

Farage said: "We propose an augmentation of the civil partnership, awarding it equal status to marriage and enabling it to be available to all. We would rather the legal and religious endorsements of wedlock are separate."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...el-farage-ukip



we all know it's fuelled by the xenophobic concept that immigrants 'degrade' this country.


No we dont, that is your blinkered perception

DOnt you see that your own prejudice is just as bad as the perceived prejudice you are railing against?

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

"In a statement issued a week ago, Ukip said. "There is an ongoing debate within Ukip about how we can protect faith communities from ultimately being compelled to conduct same-sex marriages against their beliefs and their will. We note that some gay rights activists are already talking about taking legal action in Strasbourg to force this issue."

He has also called for a move towards the French marriage system, where the legal act of marriage is separated from religious ceremonies.

Farage said: "We propose an augmentation of the civil partnership, awarding it equal status to marriage and enabling it to be available to all. We would rather the legal and religious endorsements of wedlock are separate."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...el-farage-ukip



we all know it's fuelled by the xenophobic concept that immigrants 'degrade' this country.


No we dont, that is your blinkered perception

DOnt you see that your own prejudice is just as bad as the perceived prejudice you are railing against?

But, note how in the entirety of that statement there's absolutely no outright support of same sex marriage. Just the mere suggestion that making marriage areligious might be a goal. Instead they'd rather give us a second rate version as was the case before. I don't care what you say, a lack of obvious support is dubious at the best of times. He instead implies religions are more important than simply affording equal rights to a disadvantaged group. You only need to read between the lines to see the homophobic attitude he's attempting to hide.

And it's not my 'blinkered' perception. If people who supported UKIP looked at the real problems of this country they'd see that its problems lie with precisely the people that manifest UKIP in the first place. Rich, right wing fools like Farage are those that drag this country down. The tories were bad enough before these more extreme idiots came along. If UKIP wasn't racist and bigoted then we wouldn't hear of another UKIP member spouting more prejudiced diatribes every other week, would we?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niall

But, note how in the entirety of that statement there's absolutely no outright support of same sex marriage. Just the mere suggestion that making marriage areligious might be a goal. Instead they'd rather give us a second rate version as was the case before. I don't care what you say, a lack of obvious support is dubious at the best of times. He instead implies religions are more important than simply affording equal rights to a disadvantaged group. You only need to read between the lines to see the homophobic attitude he's attempting to hide.

And it's not my 'blinkered' perception. If people who supported UKIP looked at the real problems of this country they'd see that its problems lie with precisely the people that manifest UKIP in the first place. Rich, right wing fools like Farage are those that drag this country down. The tories were bad enough before these more extreme idiots came along. If UKIP wasn't racist and bigoted then we wouldn't hear of another UKIP member spouting more prejudiced diatribes every other week, would we?

Religions are important though. You can't expect a religion to change their entire belief system to incorporate gay marriage. Everyone should be allowed to marry in a civil ceremony, whatever your sexual persuasion. However, you cannot force religions to marry people against their beliefs. I could not marry in a synagogue because my husband wasn't a Jew. I don't believe I should have a demonstration and try to make them change the rules.

Also, not being able to have a serious, grown up discussion about immigration and the overpopulation of our tiny island without being branded a racist has fuelled to the rise in support for UKIP.