[bots]

Yes, she should have been warned. She did bully Ken, it was classic bullying behaviour despite others in this threads attempt to somehow justify it as acceptable. She followed him round hounding him, Fired questions at an old man about his previous behaviour until he was bound to say something - at which point she said she was going to call the police. That was done to frighten and intimidate Ken, cause it sure isnt an offence to appreciate the female form .... yet.

I found it disgusting, and I know dislike Nadia intensely.

[-Sue-]

Bullying? oh please..
Nadia is a mum which means she makes a great referee for childish fights...hence why she steps in to try and keep things from blowing up completely! (impossible to turn the 'mum' off as it's a 24/7 job) - and all those people sprouting 'freedom of speech' surely she is saying her portion of 'free speech' trying to clear the air/sort things out with Ken (I believe if it was left for cami/chloe to talk to Ken it would be a full blown screaming match) - pointing the finger incident was a sneak preview of how well that was going..if left to cami!

The things Ken said and the way he said it was creepy! Dirty and horrible to listen to put that alongside his racist comments and I am truly glad he is gone

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I do understand what you're saying Cherie...(but if he engineered all of this himself..)...and pushed, prodded, poked etc purposefully...I don't think it's fair for people to be vilified for their reaction just because it wasn't as good as it could have been ...

He was a panto villian though, he deseved to be laughed at, not taken seriously, Calum, Keith and Alexander , Michelle, Alicia managed it, we don't see Kavana so can't comment on him. The others alllowed themselves to be influenced by each other.

[Ellen]

Nadia went OTT and should have backed off and let Ken get on with the cycling.It was obvious she wanted to goad him into saying things so she could excuse her banshee act.
In the diary room she was saying she wanted to leave because she didnt want her kids seeing her cry on tv BUT it is ok for them to see her accuse a man of saying its ok to practically rape a woman because she wears a short skirt & low top(which he did not say) and to see her eff & jeff like a navvy

[iRyan]

I liked Nadia at first but now she's becoming irritating sticking her nose in everything. Perez is worse though.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Nadia went OTT and should have backed off and let Ken get on with the cycling.It was obvious she wanted to goad him into saying things so she could excuse her banshee act.
In the diary room she was saying she wanted to leave because she didnt want her kids seeing her cry on tv BUT it is ok for them to see her accuse a man of saying its ok to practically rape a woman because she wears a short skirt & low top(which he did not say) and to see her eff & jeff like a navvy

I agree.
Actually I when she said she was thinking of leaving if he didn't,I was sad, I kind of hoped he could have then stayed in a little bit longer until she hopefully had left, if she ever would have.

He was out of order with his comments,he was rather anti soical overall with them but even I would have yelled at hert to shut up and clear off,had she prsued me and gone on at me while I was doing my part of the task as to the cycling.
She looked and sounded pathetic and while no way was it bullying, it is a kind of harrassment to pursue someone and with them not being able to get away from you,forcing them to listen to you and press them for answers.

Who appointed her BB investigator and judge anyway.
Ridiculous woman and if she was my Mother I would be pretty disappointed at her own behaviour so far.

[bots]

Lets remember that none of the ladies are exactly shrinking violets, they are not virgins from the valleys that have never heard different opinions in the past. For me, I would say they took the opportunity to pick off a couple of male competitors, and guess what, Perez will be next. Even though I can't stand him, he will be next to feel their wrath.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He was a panto villian though, he deseved to be laughed at, not taken seriously, Calum, Keith and Alexander , Michelle, Alicia managed it, we don't see Kavana so can't comment on him. The others alllowed themselves to be influenced by each other.

...hmmm, I'm trying to think of an analogy...ok, if this was the forum and it was a troll who purposefully came on and said offensive things which were sexist/racist/offensive etc...(because if Ken did engineer all of the purposefully then he did 'troll' the BB housemates..)...you would get different reactions...some would ignore etc but some would react because the whole purpose of it was to get that reaction...maybe there would be some 'over-reactions' I don't know but we've all seen this happen and we've all seen that it does exactly what it's meant to, which is to provoke until a ban would come....and whether it be that someone ignores it/laughs at it/is offended by it/responds to it, I just don't think their natural responses would ever be classed as 'bullying' which is exactly what has been intimated about Nadia...

[ebandit]

shame nadia was not old enough / wise enough to sit back and watch

ken self destruct

Mark L

[MrWong]

That's a great analogy Ammi.... Ken was a troll.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmm, I'm trying to think of an analogy...ok, if this was the forum and it was a troll who purposefully came on and said offensive things which were sexist/racist/offensive etc...(because if Ken did engineer all of the purposefully then he did 'troll' the BB housemates..)...you would get different reactions...some would ignore etc but some would react because the whole purpose of it was to get that reaction...maybe there would be some 'over-reactions' I don't know but we've all seen this happen and we've all seen that it does exactly what it's meant to, which is to provoke until a ban would come....and whether it be that someone ignores it/laughs at it/is offended by it/responds to it, I just don't think their natural responses would ever be classed as 'bullying' which is exactly what has been intimated about Nadia...

The difference is that Nadia was there invading his personal space when he had no where to run. On a forum, you can close the web page, go out for a walk, whatever - get away from the onslaught, Ken was trapped by the pack. I'm not saying he wasnt trying to be controversial, he was, but these women have been round the block, they have heard much much worse in their time. They engineered it like pack dogs, and I find that worse than the original "sin"

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The difference is that Nadia was there invading his personal space when he had no where to run. On a forum, you can close the web page, go out for a walk, whatever - get away from the onslaught, Ken was trapped by the pack. I'm not saying he wasnt trying to be controversial, he was, but these women have been round the block, they have heard much much worse in their time. They engineered it like pack dogs, and I find that worse than the original "sin"

Horses for courses. I find racism and sexism much, much worse.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The difference is that Nadia was there invading his personal space when he had no where to run. On a forum, you can close the web page, go out for a walk, whatever - get away from the onslaught, Ken was trapped by the pack. I'm not saying he wasnt trying to be controversial, he was, but these women have been round the block, they have heard much much worse in their time. They engineered it like pack dogs, and I find that worse than the original "sin"

..I don't think they did engineer it though, he engineered it and hoping to get the reaction which he got...I have to say, that's just if he did do it on purpose, which I'm not entirely sure that he did...the 'engineering' comes from provoking and prodding the reaction...I'm not saying that certain reactions were the best they could have been but they're also 'trapped' in the BB house with a very pressure cooker/stressed environment with someone who was purposefully trying to offend as many people as he could/allegedly....

[unoino]

Its strange that the vast majority see it as bullying ..yet there are still one or two who fail to see it...as someone said "how is that bullying"...thats a great message to send out to kids at school who endure bullying of this nature daily and yet a few on here actually condone it...unbelievable !

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by unoino

Its strange that the vast majority see it as bullying ..yet there are still one or two who fail to see it...as someone said "how is that bullying"...thats a great message to send out to kids at school who endure bullying of this nature daily and yet a few on here actually condone it...unbelievable !

I'd imagine most people are rolling their eyes that the bullying word is being thrown about.

It's an insult to real victims of bullying.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by unoino

Its strange that the vast majority see it as bullying ..yet there are still one or two who fail to see it...as someone said "how is that bullying"...thats a great message to send out to kids at school who endure bullying of this nature daily and yet a few on here actually condone it...unbelievable !

..you can't say what the vast majority think or that those who think differently are only one or two...you can only comment on what you yourself think...IMO, Ken was not bullied at all because of housemate's reaction to how offensive he was and that's why he got ejected from the house...completely for his own behaviour..and to say that you don't believe that a situation can be classed as bullying is not to condone anything at all...in schools..?...those situations are judged frequently and some will be bullying and some will not be...

[Vanessa]

Urgh. Nadia is awful.

[chuff me dizzy]

Did anyone notice how she shut everyone up,told them to stay in the house while she confronted the old man, she wanted full cameras on her

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Did anyone notice how she shut everyone up,told them to stay in the house while she confronted the old man, she wanted full cameras on her

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...1&postcount=27

[Raph]

yeah Nadia along with Chloe and Cami are vile. Poor Jeremy

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Raph

yeah Nadia along with Chloe and Cami are vile. Poor Jeremy

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmm, I'm trying to think of an analogy...ok, if this was the forum and it was a troll who purposefully came on and said offensive things which were sexist/racist/offensive etc...(because if Ken did engineer all of the purposefully then he did 'troll' the BB housemates..)...you would get different reactions...some would ignore etc but some would react because the whole purpose of it was to get that reaction...maybe there would be some 'over-reactions' I don't know but we've all seen this happen and we've all seen that it does exactly what it's meant to, which is to provoke until a ban would come....and whether it be that someone ignores it/laughs at it/is offended by it/responds to it, I just don't think their natural responses would ever be classed as 'bullying' which is exactly what has been intimated about Nadia...

Exactly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Raph

yeah Nadia along with Chloe and Cami are vile. Poor Jeremy

Really? Poor Jeremy? You think it's ok to take off a girls clothes without her permission? What exactly did Chloe do that was wrong in regards to Jeremy

[Kizzy]

The forum analogy is a good one as there are moderators like BB that dispense any action for a rule breaking, the housemates like forum members have no right then to goad, and bait into a confrontation..
This tag teaming isn't tolerated on here and it shouldn't be tolerated on there either, it's not up to nadia, perez or the other members of that little clique to confront ken and label him as this or that for their personal views on his comments in the house.
I can see why this could be considered bullying.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The forum analogy is a good one as there are moderators like BB that dispense any action for a rule breaking, the housemates like forum members have no right then to goad, and bait into a confrontation..
This tag teaming isn't tolerated on here and it shouldn't be tolerated on there either, it's not up to nadia, perez or the other members of that little clique to confront ken and label him as this or that for their personal views on his comments in the house.
I can see why this could be considered bullying.