[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's why I don't think she has a mild form of aspies. Aspies tend to deflect people rather than draw them in. They tend to be a little or a lot eccentric which is more likely to deter friendships than encourage it. Aspies don't have superficial charm and although they do offend people, its not deliberate and they tend not to be aware that they have offended. Katie Hopkins is very aware when she's offending. Its deliberate and its calculated.

Katie Hopkins tends to look for weakness in a person and use that weakness for her own gain. That isn't something an aspies would do. Her blunt emotional reactions could be that of an aspie but that's as far as it goes and we must keep in mind that blunt emotional reactions are something we commonly see in sociopaths. The pursing of the lips and the twisting and contorting of the mouth in peculiar ways is something that is seen in sociopaths a lot.

I agree she certainly has sociopathic characteristics.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's why I don't think she has a mild form of aspies. Aspies tend to deflect people rather than draw them in. They tend to be a little or a lot eccentric which is more likely to deter friendships than encourage it. Aspies don't have superficial charm and although they do offend people, its not deliberate and they tend not to be aware that they have offended. Katie Hopkins is very aware when she's offending. Its deliberate and its calculated.

Katie Hopkins tends to look for weakness in a person and use that weakness for her own gain. That isn't something an aspies would do. Her blunt emotional reactions could be that of an aspie but that's as far as it goes and we must keep in mind that blunt emotional reactions are something we commonly see in sociopaths. The pursing of the lips and the twisting and contorting of the mouth in peculiar ways is something that is seen in sociopaths a lot.

Yep. Also, Katie tends to seek out the weakest or least popular in a group to target, would a person with aspergers do that? It's calculated like you say

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

When you think about it, IF there really is something wrong with Katie H & she has little or no control over her actions, the likes of Michelle, Kav, Cami & Calum should be even more ashamed of themselves for backing her up.
She has an excuse for her behaviour they don't.

So you would have isolated her?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So you would have isolated her?

Katie Hopkins was the only one trying to isolate anyone

[Jennifereliza]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I reckon it's because she's playing a character and they're not natural body movements but ones she puts on for the role she plays

Excellent point x

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep. Also, Katie tends to seek out the weakest or least popular in a group to target, would a person with aspergers do that? It's calculated like you say

No, they aren't the weakest but they are emphatic types and because they have a big dose of empathy, they are more open to using their own intuition and are therefore more likely to question her motives. The real victims of a sociopath are those willing to follow her, not because they are mean spirited but because they are less likely to regard their own intuition as anything more than a silly thought. They are more open to her superficial charm; more taken in by her fake niceties. A sociopath sees empathic people as a threat but once she has her back up team behind her, she will go about destroying them with cool wit and a sharp tongue.

No...this isn't something an Aspies would do.

[TwentyFourSeven]

I think that Katie H's weird expressions are her way of mocking people and being condescending when listening to a person talking, without having to say anything.

[bots]

KH is a very animated speaker. She uses her entire body to express her opinions. I think its something she has learnt to do as it reinforces any positions she takes in arguments. Perez is very similar to her in that regard. Her body movement when others are talking is an inability to let others have an opinion without having some sort of input. Even if she doesn't say anything, people know what she is thinking. Its also very interesting that the other housemates always look to her for some sort of gesture of acceptance if they make a point in a discussion.

Contrast this behaviour to Michelle who is almost a polar opposite. It would be almost impossible to work out what Michelle was thinking

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, they aren't the weakest but they are emphatic types and because they have a big dose of empathy, they are more open to using their own intuition and are therefore more likely to question her motives. The real victims of a sociopath are those willing to follow her, not because they are mean spirited but because they are less likely to regard their own intuition as anything more than a silly thought. They are more open to her superficial charm; more taken in by her fake niceties. A sociopath sees empathic people as a threat but once she has her back up team behind her, she will go about destroying them with cool wit and a sharp tongue.

No...this isn't something an Aspies would do.

mmm Nadia was certainly a hugely empathetic person. What about Alicia though? I think she was quite empathetic but Katie seemed to have targeted her as soon as she met her because she was weak (or so she thought, Alicia actually turned out to be stringer than i expected)

Also, what do you think her reasons for targeting Perez was? Just that she found him annoying or because you think he was also empathetic?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yep, absolutely this. We need sociopaths in our world but we just need them in the right places.

They can also be dangerous to follow and misinterpret which I think the public popularity is largely. If she is a sociopath and is charming a lot of people I don't really understand why we aren't all falling for it. Are we the cynics or the empaths?

You nailed asbergers much more information eloquently than I did. You are right people with asbergers that I have had experience with have all been remorseful when realising they have done something wrong in the sense of hurting others with detachment or violence. Hopkins for me seems to lack empathy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

KH is a very animated speaker. She uses her entire body to express her opinions. I think its something she has learnt to do as it reinforces any positions she takes in arguments. Perez is very similar to her in that regard. Her body movement when others are talking is an inability to let others have an opinion without having some sort of input. Even if she doesn't say anything, people know what she is thinking. Its also very interesting that the other housemates always look to her for some sort of gesture of acceptance if the make a point in a discussion.

Contrast this behaviour to Michelle who is almost a polar opposite. It would be almost impossible to work out what Michelle was thinking

Yes! I said that yesterday about Kav during the Eamon Holmes task, everytime he said something he looked over at Katie as if he was looking for some sort of sign of approval

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Katie Hopkins was the only one trying to isolate anyone

I was waiting for that one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was waiting for that one.

Well there it is arriving on the fun train

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well there it is arriving on the fun train

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm Nadia was certainly a hugely empathetic person. What about Alicia though? I think she was quite empathetic but Katie seemed to have targeted her as soon as she met her because she was weak (or so she thought, Alicia actually turned out to be stringer than i expected)

Also, what do you think her reasons for targeting Perez was? Just that she found him annoying or because you think he was also empathetic?

I think if anyone had a touch of Aspergers it was Alicia. There was a lot of emotional indifference from Alicia and she didn't understand untruths. She wasn't worried about speaking her mind and that included revealing truths about herself that most people would staunchly hide.

Parez and Hopkins are absolutely facinating. Parez (and this is only my opinion) is a narcissist. Grandiosity, loud and very emotional in a self pitying sort of way.

I should just say, sociopaths are narcissistic but narcissists are not sociopaths...both are self serving, neither apologise, though a sociopath can fain an apology. Whilst narcissists have little regard for the rules and can behave in a very unruly way, a functioning sociopath will be much calmer and more calculated in their actions. Narcissists becomes easily frustrated and loud when they want to get their point across, whereas a sociopath feels no frustration at all and will appear ultimately calm in most situations.

Put a sociopath with a narcissist and the sociopath will take delight in torturing that narcissist like a helpless kitten. Whilst everyone else in the house found Parez exhausting, Katie Hopkins found him entertaining and took delight in bringing out his narcissistic traits and using those traits to squash him like a fly.

[chuff me dizzy]

I love the faces she pulls and the raised eyebrow !!! long may she raise it !!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think if anyone had a touch of Aspergers it was Alicia. There was a lot of emotional indifference from Alicia and she didn't understand untruths. She wasn't worried about speaking her mind and that included revealing truths about herself that most people would staunchly hide.

Parez and Hopkins are absolutely facinating. Parez (and this is only my opinion) is a narcissist. Grandiosity, loud and very emotional in a self pitying sort of way.

I should just say, sociopaths are narcissistic but narcissists are not sociopaths...both are self serving, neither apologise, though a sociopath can fain an apology. Whilst narcissists have little regard for the rules and can behave in a very unruly way, a functioning sociopath will be much calmer and more calculated in their actions. Narcissists becomes easily frustrated and loud when they want to get their point across, whereas a sociopath feels no frustration at all and will appear ultimately calm in most situations.

Put a sociopath with a narcissist and the sociopath will take delight in torturing that narcissist like a helpless kitten. Whilst everyone else in the house found Parez exhausting, Katie Hopkins found him entertaining and took delight in bringing out his narcissistic traits and using those traits to squash him like a fly.

As much as i liked Perez, I think your analysis of him is very accurate. Also, that's an interesting observation of Alicia, you could be right

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

They can also be dangerous to follow and misinterpret which I think the public popularity is largely. If she is a sociopath and is charming a lot of people I don't really understand why we aren't all falling for it. Are we the cynics or the empaths?

We are empaths and we listen to our intuition. BTW, have you ever read a book called 'The Gift of Fear"?. I think you would enjoy it.

Those who are indifferent to someone bullying or take sides with a bully tend to be apaths.

[InOne]

Attachment disorder with Sociopathic traits.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So you would have isolated her?

Why isolate her ?.
I would be polite to her. I'm sure Katie H would not recognize such a thing

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We are empaths and we listen to our intuition. BTW, have you ever read a book called 'The Gift of Fear"?. I think you would enjoy it.

Those who are indifferent to someone bullying or take sides with a bully tend to be apaths.

Thanks for the book tip, I'll download from amazon.

I agree with your assessment of Perez and his relationship with Hopkins. What I find harder to understand is the public demonization of him. I am not a fan but can't see that he has done anything to warrant the hate, he's annoying but he isn't a bully like James Jordan. He isn't kicking any puppies.(Hopkins is the puppy kicker in the house). The Perez hate seems a little OTT.

[Razor]

I find the way she talks to people annoying. She basically talks as though she was addressing a five year old and not forgetting the over use of her hands.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Thanks for the book tip, I'll download from amazon.

I agree with your assessment of Perez and his relationship with Hopkins. WhatI find harder to understand is the public demonization of him. I am noy a fan but can't see that he has done anything to warrant the hate, he's annoying but he isn't a bully like James Jordan. He isn't kicking any puppies.(Hopkins is the puppy kicker in the house). The Perez hate seems a little OTT.

TBH any hate is ott, for me the moment Perez seemingly at random attacked Katie in the grave task was the moment I was fixed in my dislike for him, everything else just reinforced that feeling. It just seemed so vicious, spiteful and random.

[DemolitionRed]

I think some people can get overly obsessive and when that happens they tend to demonize anyone who annoys the person they are fixated on. There has certainly been a lot of that going on in here. We all see things differently and make judgements accordingly. It only gets frustrating when we can't convert the masses..."why can't they see what we see?", "Why can't we see what they see?" Our expectations exceed what can be delivered and that's what causes frustration.

Its interesting that Katie Price can't see the demon in Parez. Yes he's annoying, yes he's obnoxious, loud and too full of himself a lot of the time and to an extent he became the victim of his own making, but there are things I like about Parez. There's nothing forced about him which makes him very transparent; I guess I like that transparency.

[Absorption]

I think the real question is, "is there anything right with her?"