[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Stupid, stupid , stupid stupid US.... They are turning Ukraine into a war zone and they won't stop until they engage Russia... The most heavily nuclear armed country in the world.

Unbelievable really ... It's like a staring contest , see who blinks first




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The Ukraine has been a war zone for a year. Fatalities are around 6,000. Eastern Ukraine is a bombed out war zone with most people trying to get out and head to Kiev.

The Russians are hoping that, rather than arming the Ukrainians and guaranteeing a war, we will step back, out of fear and let them do what they want to do. We have spent a year trying to placate them with ceasefire agreements, financial deals and punitive measures against some of their diplomats. During that time many thousands of people have been killed.

Putin is like a parasite who preys on the weak. Today, whilst the west were meeting to discuss their measures against Russia, Putin flew to Egypt to meet with the Egyptian PM and discuss Russian aid to the Egyptians. He's looking at vulnerable countries around Europe and how he can get in their to extend his power.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The Ukraine has been a war zone for a year. Fatalities are around 6,000. Eastern Ukraine is a bombed out war zone with most people trying to get out and head to Kiev.

The Russians are hoping that, rather than arming the Ukrainians and guaranteeing a war, we will step back, out of fear and let them do what they want to do. We have spent a year trying to placate them with ceasefire agreements, financial deals and punitive measures against some of their diplomats. During that time many thousands of people have been killed.

Putin is like a parasite who preys on the weak. Today, whilst the west were meeting to discuss their measures against Russia, Putin flew to Egypt to meet with the Egyptian PM and discuss Russian aid to the Egyptians. He's looking at vulnerable countries around Europe and how he can get in their to extend his power.

Interesting post......you say Eastern Ukraine is a bombed out place and that over 5,000 Ukranians have died. So who do you think has killed all these Ukranians...? Russian troops ? But surely they are there to protect the Russian speaking Ukranians who have been systematically bombed to smithereens by their fellow countrymen because they won't cow down and surrender to the new western manipulated fascist government put into power after the scandalous so called revolution last year where the democratically elected leader of Ukraine was ran out of town by nothing short of a western planned coup d'état.

Russia saw this coming as it was always about getting the new Ukranian govt to force Russia to give up its strategically important naval bases in the Crimea.

Putin the parasite as you call him had the foresight to see his only option was to try and find a way to change the govt in the Crimea and this is what happened. Unfortunately the East of the Ukraine is now burning , certain factions in the US are beyond pissed and will actually consider trying to provoke all out war in the east of Ukraine.

Putin of course is playing Europe against the U.S. on this and is trying to sue for peace in the area, he knows if left to their own devices the Ukraine will always eventually stay a natural ally to Russia .

This whole contrived event in which thousands of innocent Ukrainians have perished is one big geopolitical gamble by the U.S. to try and further NATO 's ambitions in Eastern Europe .

Shame on the U.S for playing political games that cost innocent people their lives.

I suppose it's par for the course now with U.S they start wars with impunity only this time I think a serious escalation could easily ensue as Russia is no Libya or Iraq...

I hope cooler heads prevail in the coming months.





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[DemolitionRed]

Ukraine was politically none aligned. That is to say, like Switzerland it was neutral. It didn't have an army; it had a small home defence force and basically it sort to become a trading partner to other countries around the world and to prosper. However, to do this, it needed investment, which was offered by Europe and also Russia. The Ukrainian people wanted to accept Europes offer of support; the Ukrainian government went against those wishes and accepted the Russians offer. This was so unpopular it led to the collapse of the Ukrainian government in 2014.

At the same moment that the Ukrainian government collapsed, Russia invaded Crimea. The already destabilized Ukrainian leadership chose to capitulate and gave up Crimea to the Russians. When, soon after, a new government was in place and Russia started to threaten the Eastern borders of the Ukraine. The Ukrainian government gave up its none aligned status and asked Nato for support. Nato has so far not provided that support.

Nedusa, I can't argue with your opinion but its not an opinion that has been neutrally reported. You are supporting the Russian argument, I'm not and so I can't negotiate a resolution with you because our views are so divergent. This discussion reflects what is happening in the real world and we both know that thousands of people are dying because they aren't arguing via keyboards but with machine guns and tanks. If we can't reach an agreement, how can we expect world leaders to reach an agreement.

The horrifying truth is, they may not be able to reach an agreement and this may descend into an all out war.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ukraine was politically none aligned. That is to say, like Switzerland it was neutral. It didn't have an army; it had a small home defence force and basically it sort to become a trading partner to other countries around the world and to prosper. However, to do this, it needed investment, which was offered by Europe and also Russia. The Ukrainian people wanted to accept Europes offer of support; the Ukrainian government went against those wishes and accepted the Russians offer. This was so unpopular it led to the collapse of the Ukrainian government in 2014.

At the same moment that the Ukrainian government collapsed, Russia invaded Crimea. The already destabilized Ukrainian leadership chose to capitulate and gave up Crimea to the Russians. When, soon after, a new government was in place and Russia started to threaten the Eastern borders of the Ukraine. The Ukrainian government gave up its none aligned status and asked Nato for support. Nato has so far not provided that support.

Nedusa, I can't argue with your opinion but its not an opinion that has been neutrally reported. You are supporting the Russian argument, I'm not and so I can't negotiate a resolution with you because our views are so divergent. This discussion reflects what is happening in the real world and we both know that thousands of people are dying because they aren't arguing via keyboards but with machine guns and tanks. If we can't reach an agreement, how can we expect world leaders to reach an agreement.

The horrifying truth is, they may not be able to reach an agreement and this may descend into an all out war.

I'm not anti west per se but do think the West need to shoulder more of the blame than Russia for this mess.

Go back 18 months and look closely at the sequence of events that played out , take your news from a variety of sources and a picture does start to appear in which certain elements in the US have deliberately inflamed this whole situation in Ukraine with I think control of Crimea as the real goal.

The west have failed in this bid and they are mad as hell and are trying to win the propaganda war having failed to actually win in Ukraine itself.

Now they are looking to escalate again to the next level by supplying lethal arms so even more innocent Ukrainians can now be killed.

Utterly disgraceful behaviour, the UK and Europe need to tell the U.S. in plain speak to back off and mind their own business.

In my opinion the U.S. is politically out of control and will eventually sooner rather than later force other world powers into military confrontation.

Why are they doing this ? Well all declining superpowers eventually try and play all the cards in their hand.

But the U.S. is rapidly becoming a busted flush...!!!





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