[DemolitionRed]

Ukraine was politically none aligned. That is to say, like Switzerland it was neutral. It didn't have an army; it had a small home defence force and basically it sort to become a trading partner to other countries around the world and to prosper. However, to do this, it needed investment, which was offered by Europe and also Russia. The Ukrainian people wanted to accept Europes offer of support; the Ukrainian government went against those wishes and accepted the Russians offer. This was so unpopular it led to the collapse of the Ukrainian government in 2014.

At the same moment that the Ukrainian government collapsed, Russia invaded Crimea. The already destabilized Ukrainian leadership chose to capitulate and gave up Crimea to the Russians. When, soon after, a new government was in place and Russia started to threaten the Eastern borders of the Ukraine. The Ukrainian government gave up its none aligned status and asked Nato for support. Nato has so far not provided that support.

Nedusa, I can't argue with your opinion but its not an opinion that has been neutrally reported. You are supporting the Russian argument, I'm not and so I can't negotiate a resolution with you because our views are so divergent. This discussion reflects what is happening in the real world and we both know that thousands of people are dying because they aren't arguing via keyboards but with machine guns and tanks. If we can't reach an agreement, how can we expect world leaders to reach an agreement.

The horrifying truth is, they may not be able to reach an agreement and this may descend into an all out war.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ukraine was politically none aligned. That is to say, like Switzerland it was neutral. It didn't have an army; it had a small home defence force and basically it sort to become a trading partner to other countries around the world and to prosper. However, to do this, it needed investment, which was offered by Europe and also Russia. The Ukrainian people wanted to accept Europes offer of support; the Ukrainian government went against those wishes and accepted the Russians offer. This was so unpopular it led to the collapse of the Ukrainian government in 2014.

At the same moment that the Ukrainian government collapsed, Russia invaded Crimea. The already destabilized Ukrainian leadership chose to capitulate and gave up Crimea to the Russians. When, soon after, a new government was in place and Russia started to threaten the Eastern borders of the Ukraine. The Ukrainian government gave up its none aligned status and asked Nato for support. Nato has so far not provided that support.

Nedusa, I can't argue with your opinion but its not an opinion that has been neutrally reported. You are supporting the Russian argument, I'm not and so I can't negotiate a resolution with you because our views are so divergent. This discussion reflects what is happening in the real world and we both know that thousands of people are dying because they aren't arguing via keyboards but with machine guns and tanks. If we can't reach an agreement, how can we expect world leaders to reach an agreement.

The horrifying truth is, they may not be able to reach an agreement and this may descend into an all out war.

I'm not anti west per se but do think the West need to shoulder more of the blame than Russia for this mess.

Go back 18 months and look closely at the sequence of events that played out , take your news from a variety of sources and a picture does start to appear in which certain elements in the US have deliberately inflamed this whole situation in Ukraine with I think control of Crimea as the real goal.

The west have failed in this bid and they are mad as hell and are trying to win the propaganda war having failed to actually win in Ukraine itself.

Now they are looking to escalate again to the next level by supplying lethal arms so even more innocent Ukrainians can now be killed.

Utterly disgraceful behaviour, the UK and Europe need to tell the U.S. in plain speak to back off and mind their own business.

In my opinion the U.S. is politically out of control and will eventually sooner rather than later force other world powers into military confrontation.

Why are they doing this ? Well all declining superpowers eventually try and play all the cards in their hand.

But the U.S. is rapidly becoming a busted flush...!!!





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