[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's hard not to when all the other side of the debate amounts to is dubious figures and "blame game" farage-style scapegoating of every single pothole, late train or wait in A&E in the country on the EU and "unfettered" immigration. It's nonsense. Every single vaguely credible political force (yes, even the Tories) know that it's nonsense. The only reason they're offering an in/out referendum is, as I said, to appease potential UKIP defectors and because they know the results will most likely be "in".

You make me laugh.........you really do, with your patronising , morally superior , holier than thou attitude to this whole issue.

So you think everythings great in the garden do you ? and that the Main political parties have done such a great job in the last 50 years.

Nothing is wrong, everybody's happy and Britain is Best.... you need to get out a bit more and take a look around. do you think the people who now HAVE to use food banks to survive would agree with you.

Or the people forced to queue for work or work on zero hour Contracts also share you strangely rosy view of things.

Or young people who finally find employment need to work for 30 years just to save a deposit for a house they will never get a mortgage for.

Or the vast numbers forever living on benefits........

There are real problems with this Country and they are getting worse........Fact

The Main political parties do not give a dam in reality, why would they , to them it's a big game. why do they care they are all wealthy public school educated toffs , why would they really give a stuff.

So when a new party comes along like UKIP and says in true Emporer's new clothes style.......hang on wait a minute things are actually pretty bad

There are no jobs, no houses, full to bursting hospitals, full to bursting schools, congested roads, congested railways .......and 15 Million more people than 50 years ago....that is demonstrable, real NOT imagined.

If someone stands up and says why are we paying millions into the EU and then being forced to take millions of people and feed,house,school and give them free healthcare.........then why is that treated as a joke ??

Maybe it's time for a radical shakeup of our mainstream policies.......because I don't think the ones we have been using for the last few decades are working.