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Originally Posted by the truth

more cynical anti economics....all paymasters are vile exploitative people? lol...wrong. theyre the backbone of society and create ALL the wealth that pays for EVERYTHING IN SOCIETY....they also take all the risk and pressures....if anything goes wrong the buck stops with the employers...everyone risk just talks, employers entrepreneurs walk the walk

have you actually spoken to employers or are you another socialist who just assumes what employers will do? most employers want trustworthy relaible staff....older staff tend to be more stable and less likely to job hop....retraing staff endlessly is a costly exhaustingexpensive process. many would rather pay the extra few pounds anhour for the certainty and peace of mind

as for your absurd argument lets not put young healthy people into work in case they take jobs off other older people? what kind of logic is that? utter nonsense. there are places for reliable solid workers in all sectors. once a person is at work , their reliability honesty experience etc will make them more invaluable to employers and they will get more and more regular work and their wages will rise in time...other opportunities will also open up and in some cases these kids will decide to set up their own businesses too

this is the politics of optimism. this is what we need. not the politics of envy trying to squeeze every last penny from employers and risk takers....

the working tax credits are also a massive key as it the return to work schemes where job centres subsidise employers to train people for a few months....but working tax is the bridge off benefits to work and this scheme needs to be clearer and simpler to understand and better promoted......again in some cases you can get housing benefits and working tax and work. not everyone knows and understand that, theyre too scared to get off unemployment / incapacity. this is where dave cameron can really improve society. lucky for him he has a majority and autonomy free for europe to sort this mess out simply because he has hiw own currency

By paymasters I presume you mean employers, paymasters seems such a Dickensian term...
You're putting words in my mouth as I didn't suggest all employers adopt these practices but it is growing.
They do pay a lot of tax yes, if they paid more out to employees would they not have as much to be taxed...and would the employee not have a decent wage to pay tax on?

I'm not sure what you're accusing me of, I'm not suggesting anyone squeeze anyone.