[waterhog]

I am a bit confused about this thread - I thought this was about Justin - I am a belieber

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm just saying, i think you are really religious, but you don't want people to think you are really a true religious person because you think they will think you are ignorant and all the other negative stereotypes of religious people.

..ahhh I see what you're saying...and I guess that would be how religious was defined because my only belief is in people and especially the people who I love most in this world....

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..ahhh I see what you're saying...and I guess that would be how religious was defined because my only belief is in people and especially the people who I love most in this world....

but do you really believe in god is what i'm saying... i think you do. don't you?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but do you really believe in god is what i'm saying... i think you do. don't you?

..I believe in the belief that (some) people have in their God and whatever positivity that gives them or however that enriches their lives...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you not think you should?

Not unless I have definitive proof.

Do I believe in a greater force? I remain open minded.

Do I believe in the bibles interpretation of God? no

[Crimson Dynamo]

does anyone think that if you say out loud

I dare God to make my life amazing.
I dare God to make my home into a dream home
I dare God to turn all of my friends into the best friends i could possibly hope for

that would work either?


of course not

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

does anyone think that if you say out loud

I dare God to make my life amazing.
I dare God to make my home into a dream home
I dare God to turn all of my friends into the best friends i could possibly hope for

that would work either?


of course not

He's God, he's not a genie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not unless I have definitive proof.

Do I believe in a greater force? I remain open minded.

Do I believe in the bibles interpretation of God? no

You can remain open minded about everything of course and that is what science does - but still realise that any religious ideas are highly (99.9%) unrealistic and as such should not feature in our schools or politics


The fact that belief in a god allows men to say " well I will bypass common held morality and law because i can justify this by saying god allows it and lets face it noone can check" results in most of the vile things in the world

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's God, he's not a genie.

he is nothing that is why he or it does nothing and does not exist


If you pray to a chair ( a nice one mind) you get the same results 100% of the time

[Crimson Dynamo]

and if he can create a universe then he can knock up a fecking dream home

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he is nothing that is why he or it does nothing and does not exist


If you pray to a chair ( a nice one mind) you get the same results 100% of the time

I think you'd have to pray to a chair first and see the results. You've got to pray hard. Off you go... let me know how it works out for you.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's God, he's not a genie.

but that's not what religions tell people/ religions tell people that god is paying particular attention to them and their wishes. religions tell them that god listens to every prayer and that if you just have enough belief and loyalty to god he will give them what they want. that is what all religions tell their followers, so religions do make it seem like god is a genie. and just like psychics, when someone's prayers don't get answered, they say it's because they don't believe well enough or don't pray hard enough, they make people feel like it;'s their fault when god doesn't deliver.

it's no different to psychics. if the psychic gets it wrong then it's YOUR fault for not believing enough. you aren't opening up enough, it's your fault for not being good enough for god.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And you feel the same about invisible 6 breasted mermaids the size of planets?

Ie cant be proved ir disproved

This reminded me of the flying spaghetti monster

[Jamie89]

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

[lostalex]

if you read the bible, it does seem that god has the maturity level of a 15 y/o. he killed people just because the devil dared him.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but that's not what religions tell people/ religions tell people that god is paying particular attention to them and their wishes. religions tell them that god listens to every prayer and that if you just have enough belief and loyalty to god he will give them what they want. that is what all religions tell their followers, so religions do make it seem like god is a genie. and just like psychics, when someone's prayers don't get answered, they say it's because they don't believe well enough or don't pray hard enough, they make people feel like it;'s their fault when god doesn't deliver.

it's no different to psychics. if the psychic gets it wrong then it's YOUR fault for not believing enough. you aren't opening up enough, it's your fault for not being good enough for god.

I don't recognise any of that as being pertinent to my own faith, Alex.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't recognise any of that as being pertinent to my own faith, Alex.

well most religious people have very selective hearing Livia. it's easy to hear what you want to hear and tune out the rest. I find it hard to believe that you've never heard a person of your faith say that someone who defied the faith "got what they deserved" if they came upon misfortune, or that someone of your faith is not really part of your faith because they weren't loyal enough. That happens in every faith community.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well most religious people have very selective hearing Livia. it's easy to hear what you want to hear and tune out the rest. I find it hard to believe that you've never heard a person of your faith say that someone who defied the faith "got what they deserved" if they came upon misfortune, or that someone of your faith is not really part of your faith because they weren't loyal enough. That happens in every faith community.

That's quite a statement, Alex. No, with my hand on my heart, I have never heard anyone of my faith rejoice in the misfortune of others. If anyone feels they have deserved their downfall it has not had anything to do with faith.

Also, you say you think I might have selective hearing because of my faith. Conversely I generally find people with no faith feel very free to make rude, empty claims about people who do... and I don't know why you would feel entitled to do that. I have no problem with you believing in nothing, I uphold your right to that. I am sorry you can't find it in yourself to wish me the same.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's quite a statement, Alex. No, with my hand on my heart, I have never heard anyone of my faith rejoice in the misfortune of others. If anyone feels they have deserved their downfall it has not had anything to do with faith.

Also, you say you think I might have selective hearing because of my faith. Conversely I generally find people with no faith feel very free to make rude, empty claims about people who do... and I don't know why you would feel entitled to do that. I have no problem with you believing in nothing, I uphold your right to that. I am sorry you can't find it in yourself to wish me the same.

wait, i didn't wish you the same of what?

i honestly don't care, in the end we are all just rotting meat, so what am i not wishing the same for you about? i only judge people on how they treat other people, and you know damn well religions teach people to treat others badly. and yes, even religions that say treat others well, but they aren't "the chosen ones" is still treating people badly and it's patronizing.

you belong to a religion where they pay "goyim" to turn off light switches for them, because they don't want to upset god, but they don't care that the goyim upset god?? there are happy to pay other humans to upset god but they aren't willing to do it themselves??? that's pretty ****ed up.

[Jessica.]

There is no God.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

wait, i didn't wish you the same of what?

i honestly don't care, in the end we are all just rotting meat, so what am i not wishing the same for you about? i only judge people on how they treat other people, and you know damn well religions teach people to treat others badly. and yes, even religions that say treat others well, but they aren't "the chosen ones" is still treating people badly and it's patronizing.

you belong to a religion where they pay "goyim" to turn off light switches for them, because they don't want to upset god, but they don't care that the goyim upset god?? there are happy to pay other humans to upset god but they aren't willing to do it themselves??? that's pretty ****ed up.

If you don't believe my religion to be true, why would you feel patronised about the "chosen people" thing? And anyway, this is nonsensical. You're getting my faith confused with Orthodox Judaism, either through ignorance or you're trying to provoke. My faith is my faith and there's nothing you can say to change what's in my heart.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm just saying, i think you are really religious, but you don't want people to think you are really a true religious person because you think they will think you are ignorant and all the other negative stereotypes of religious people.

Not really. She may be open to the possibility of a "God" but that doesn't make someone religious. She doesn't align herself to any religious denomination.

Belief =/= religious.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

There is no God.

All right arista, calm down.