[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmm... you're countering actual quotes from the Quran with Islam-centric explanations.

Why not. Not everyone has to take the text literally.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Why not. Not everyone has to take the text literally.

Of course not, How many times have we heard that the Bible shouldn't be taken so literally or when they just completely disregarded the Old testament etc. Personally I think they're all a load of **** but you can't say one is worse than the other imo, they both have horrific things written in them and they both have some followers who use them as a reason to drive some hate fuelled attack on people and they both have a majority of followers who do not

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course not, How many times have we heard that the Bible shouldn't be taken so literally or when they just completely disregarded the Old testament etc. Personally I think they're all a load of **** but you can't say one is worse than the other imo, they both have horrific things written in them and they both have some followers who use them as a reason to drive some hate fuelled attack on people and they both have a majority of followers who do not

Becasue it is an interpretation of God's word, not literally God's word.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Becasue it is an interpretation of God's word, not literally God's word.

So are you saying that mulsims must take the text literally?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So are you saying that mulsims must take the text literally?

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

but surely you know the text, as with most religions, cannot be taken literally.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

but surely you know the text, as with most religions, cannot be taken literally.

Yeah, I feel like I've said this a dozen times now. Unlike other religions, the Quran is believed by Muslims to be the direct, literal word of God. And the fundamentalists and nutters hang on to that... it's their Justification. More moderate, more educated Muslims are not of that mind, but they're not the ones who are fighting us. It's people like Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-taiba, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzan… and all the other nutters who are killing not just us, but more moderate Muslims too who have suffered terribly as a result.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

You've effectively demonised every Muslim then due to the content of ancient text, which every faith has and fundamentalists which again every faith has.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You've effectively demonised every Muslim then due to the content of ancient text, which every faith has and fundamentalists which again every faith has.

Well, I guess every other faith doesn't have legions of people blowing up other people, terrorising cities and communities, raping, bombing, enslaving and all the other things Muslim terrorists feel that their holy book gives them the right to do. Islam may well be a religion of peace, but when you've got hundreds of thousands killing in its name, it seems a little disingenuous to me.