[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Then you don't fully grasp just how much damage Camerosborne have been doing to some people and families... I think can be the only answer to that.

As for the rest of it, I don't really know / haven't looked into it, but I would say that it sounds like a lot of conclusions are being jumped to based on very flimsy logic.

I know only too well the damage caused by certain Conservative Government policy on some people and families T.S - I have condemned the 'Austerity Cuts' and other draconian measures on other threads - but this is totally irrelevant within the context of what I wrote, which I reproduce below:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post

"I find it personally asonishing that certain Labour supporters ARE so blinded by their detestation of Cameron and the Tory party, that they illogically continue to be so ferevently supportive of Corbyn"


Which means that I am not defending Cameron - I did not even vote Tory - I am saying that certain people's BLIND FANATICAL SUPPORT for Corbyn DESPITE all the increasingly frequent revelations of just what a subversive idiot he is, is chiefly because of their BLIND HATRED of Cameron and the Tory Government.

In other words;

Certain people would fervently and irrationally support the bastard offspring of Karl Marx and Niccolò Machiavelli as Labour Leader just as long as that leader was opposing Cameron and the Tory Government.

There are far better candidates who should have been Labour Leader -Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper, and Liz Kendall - but no one is going to try to hoodwink me that Comrade Corbyn is anything but a subversive idiot who is bad for the UK, bad for politics, and bad for the Labour Party - who will not recover from this terrorist-loving prat should he reign for much longer as leader.

As for 'Flimsy logic' T.S. - this is disingenuous of you, look this matter up, then comment.

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

"I find it personally asonishing that certain Labour supporters ARE so blinded by their detestation of Cameron and the Tory party, that they illogically continue to be so ferevently supportive of Corbyn"


Which means that I am not defending Cameron - I did not even vote Tory - I am saying that certain people's BLIND FANATICAL SUPPORT for Corbyn DESPITE all the increasingly frequent revelations of just what a subversive idiot he is, is chiefly because of their BLIND HATRED of Cameron and the Tory Government.

In other words;

Certain people would fervently and irrationally support the bastard offspring of Karl Marx and Niccolò Machiavelli as Labour Leader just as long as that leader was opposing Cameron and the Tory Government.

No I get all of that Kirk and I agree that there are a lot of people who would support a three-legged fictional donkey brought to life by the magic of green-screen over Cameron / any Tory government... and I'm not saying that blind support of anyone is ever the RIGHT course of action... all I'm saying is that I'm not astonished that there are people who have been so blinded. It's really quite understandable. The fact that Corbyn is SO "different" to the status quo is likely what amplifies this effect, rather than the to the "Tory-lite" opposition (if you can call it that) of the last few decades. It's temporarily blinded people - they'll remember that all politicians are scumbags with agendas soon enough.

As for 'Flimsy logic' T.S. - this is disingenuous of you, look this matter up, then comment.

But what if I just can't be bothered? I have to go to work in 40 minutes and I haven't even had a shower yet. Stop bullying me by telling me to read and become informed!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

No I get all of that Kirk and I agree that there are a lot of people who would support a three-legged fictional donkey brought to life by the magic of green-screen over Cameron / any Tory government... and I'm not saying that blind support of anyone is ever the RIGHT course of action... all I'm saying is that I'm not astonished that there are people who have been so blinded. It's really quite understandable. The fact that Corbyn is SO "different" to the status quo is likely what amplifies this effect, rather than the to the "Tory-lite" opposition (if you can call it that) of the last few decades. It's temporarily blinded people - they'll remember that all politicians are scumbags with agendas soon enough.



But what if I just can't be bothered? I have to go to work in 40 minutes and I haven't even had a shower yet. Stop bullying me by telling me to read and become informed!

OK - I am persuaded by the first part of your response, that you are sincere in your belief and what you say. It's also very fair.

The second part (emboldened) just made me LOL.

Get ready for work.

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@kirklancaster
I have never been a Conservative but that doesn't mean I don't agree with some Conservative policies. I grew up with a farther passionate about politics and I was hugely influenced (as many children are) to follow my parents beliefs and cement myself firmly in the middle... but politics are like fluid in that they constantly move and often change course. Unlike my parents who are somewhat obsessed with their staunch support of one party and much to their disapproval, I refuse to stagnate. That makes me anything but blind.

For me, the Conservative party are playing a cruel and divisive game on the minions who blindly serve them and although I don't want Corbyn to be our next prime minister, he is the ball and chain that's presently curbing Tory politics. When did we last have a party who could not only stand up to the Tories but stick with their reasoning with such passion?. Corbyn is the man who making the general public ask questions and the man who's raised more interest in British Politics for decades.

That isn't blind fanatical support, its just the right to think differently without fearing condemnation.

I'm not sure why you brought up Marx and Machiavelli, two great philosophers?.