[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It wasn't the immaculate conception, at least she is still there, where is the sperm donor?

Yes but before you have 8 kids you need to know that if anything happens to one of the parents or one of them fecks off that you could still take care of them.Life is full of uncertainties.2 kids is managable possibly even 3 but 8??That is just irresponsible unless you are finacially secure enough to look after them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes but before you have 8 kids you need to know that if anything happens to one of the parents or one of them fecks off that you could still take care of them.Life is full of uncertainties.2 kids is managable possibly even 3 but 8??That is just irresponsible unless you are finacially secure enough to look after them.

I agree with all that, apart from fully blaming the woman? the responsibility lies 50/50 between the couple, he could have worn a condom, or got the snip, at least she is still there....

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree with all that, apart from fully blaming the woman? the responsibility lies 50/50 between the couple, he could have worn a condom, or got the snip, at least she is still there....

He could have worn a condom,She could have refused to sleep with him until he did,She could have gone to the docs for proper contraception.

He could have got the snip?That's a big step and not one i would make until i was sure i would'nt ever want to have another kid.What if they split up and he got a new partner and they wanted a child together?That's like saying she could have had her womb removed.Contraception is much easier and less permanent.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

He could have worn a condom,She could have refused to sleep with him until he did,She could have gone to the docs for proper contraception.

He could have got the snip?That's a big step and not one i would make until i was sure i would'nt ever want to have another kid.What if they split up and he got a new partner and they wanted a child together?That's like saying she could have had her womb removed.Contraception is much easier and less permanent.

And the womans responsibility...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

He could have worn a condom,She could have refused to sleep with him until he did,She could have gone to the docs for proper contraception.

He could have got the snip?That's a big step and not one i would make until i was sure i would'nt ever want to have another kid.What if they split up and he got a new partner and they wanted a child together?That's like saying she could have had her womb removed.Contraception is much easier and less permanent.

I thought you wanted people to act responsibly, Make your mind up! So the woman has to consider how many kids she has, but the Dad who has 8 kids already who he appears not to support can skip off and procreate with someone else and you are happy with that ...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I thought you wanted people to act responsibly, Make your mind up! So the woman has to consider how many kids she has, but the Dad who has 8 kids already who he appears not to support can skip off and procreate with someone else and you are happy with that ...

I agree with you as to what you say above.

I actually also agreed with the govts cap as to benefits,I also agree with them only paying child benefit for some Children and not for an endless stream of Children to any individual.

It is wrong that a Parent can get away with not supporting their family.

£500 a week is not a massive amount of money to be paid to support 9 lives,her own and the 8 Children,as that will need to cover bills too.
However I would consider it able to be enough.

On the other side, if she gets evicted,then a great deal more in the end is likely going to have to be made available to keep her and the Children in accommodation and sustain their existence.
Thereby making that weekly cut of £80+ being likely magnified considerably as to more benefit/support costs.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I thought you wanted people to act responsibly, Make your mind up! So the woman has to consider how many kids she has, but the Dad who has 8 kids already who he appears not to support can skip off and procreate with someone else and you are happy with that ...

Relationships end.That's life.People move on.Having 8 kids that you cant support is just irresponsible.Having the snip is not something a man wants to do until later life when he's sure he will never have another child.They both should have considered this but especially her as it's her that is lumbered with kids she can't afford.He should also support them too but that's not always reality is it.
I made a concsious decision to stop at two because i know that's all we can comfortably afford without struggling.