[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If you think education is only about preparing you for what you might require in a job ("if you want to become a historian") then this conversation is over.

Also, why are you suggesting that time is lost on English, Maths, Science and History to spend more time on religion where the teachers push their own beliefs on the students? That's a bizarre notion.

That's exactly what School is for, teaching children the basics and then the children are suppose to go on and persue their subjects that they're interested in, and of course to help children socialise with strangers.

What do you think School is suppose to be for?

And until I was old enough to go for subjects that I wanted to learn, RE was pushed ahead of History at my Schools, and it was on par with English and Science (as for some reason my Schools loved Maths and I'm beyond **** at it) but yeah RE used to be done a lot, and all it ever really was, was pro Christianity, anti-Islam, and indifferent responses to the others.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's exactly what School is for, teaching children the basics and then the children are suppose to go on and persue their subjects that they're interested in, and of course to help children socialise with strangers.

What do you think School is suppose to be for?

And until I was old enough to go for subjects that I wanted to learn, RE was pushed ahead of History at my Schools, and it was on par with English and Science (as for some reason my Schools loved Maths and I'm beyond **** at it) but yeah RE used to be done a lot, and all it ever really was, was pro Christianity, anti-Islam, and indifferent responses to the others.

School is for far more than just preparing you for what job you would like as an adult Mock. Don't act dumb.

Your school taught you to be anti-islamic?

I call bulls*t.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

School is for far more than just preparing you for what job you would like as an adult Mock. Don't act dumb.

Your school taught you to be anti-islamic?

I call bulls*t.

It's not acting dumb, School teaches you to get on in your Adult life, and how to socialize.

Don't tell me that you think School is suppose to be fun do you? Because trust me, bullies, Teachers being biased towards certain kids, and when you have Migraine's and the School won't let you go home, or even Phone your parents about you having a Migraine so you're just trapped there lying on a pillow doing nothing is not fun.

Teachers getting the **** beaten out of them by 13/14 year olds is not fun.

Having homophobic and racism thrown out you isn't fun.

So tell me what is School suppose to be about other than Job prospects, and socializing?

And my Schools wasn't so open about being "Anti-Islam" but they definitely used to show more of the barbaric parts of the Koran than they ever did the Bible or the Torah, or the Vedas etc.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So tell me what is School suppose to be about other than Job prospects, and socializing?

It's about getting an education perhaps?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's about getting an education perhaps?

Genuine Lolling. So well said, but isn't it a pity when 'stating the bleedin' obvious' is both necessary and humorous.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Genuine Lolling. So well said, but isn't it a pity when 'stating the bleedin' obvious' is both necessary and humorous.

That's a pretty broad statement, though. Is it "An education" in terms of the academic basics of narrow, defined subjects so that they can "get into the world of work and pay their taxes"... or are we talking about a more broad "education" as in actually teaching young people about the world / philosophy / how to think with logic and reason about complex real-world problems.

The aim of the government and current school system, while they like to claim it is that latter, is unquestionably the former of these. They want functional parts for their machine, be that the basic cogs going into min-wage slog or the "more complex parts" going into higher professions or business. At the end of the day, it's rat-race stuff, it's about creating Workers, not Thinkers. Which I personally struggle to define as "an education".

... And like I said, they're not even particularly efficient at that .

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's about getting an education perhaps?

And what are you suppose to do with that education?

So I was right and people was debating my initial post for nothing.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And what are you suppose to do with that education?

So I was right and people was debating my initial post for nothing.

Use it to benefit your future life in whatever you do, not just in a job

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Use it to benefit your future life in whatever you do, not just in a job

Well how you use your education in other ways of your life will depend on how well you can socialise which again School is needed for that aspect.

However not every kid suits learning in big environments such as School, some children are better in one on one learning (like myself) because the Teachers tend to explain their subjects better with just one child than they do when there's loads of bratty children disturbing the class.

And also some children like hanging around adults more than they do other children at their own age group (again I was like this) as children/teenagers try to push you out of cliques if you're just slightly “weird” and it can be hell for people and make them anti-social.

School could be great, but the Teachers need to actually give a toss about the kids instead of rewarding the bullies.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And what are you suppose to do with that education?

You think the only use for broadening your knowledge and education is for potential jobs?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You think the only use for broadening your knowledge and education is for potential jobs?

Well for the millionth time I would also say it tests children's social intelligence too.

I say test as sadly not every child gets accepted in these hell holes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

School is for far more than just preparing you for what job you would like as an adult Mock.

It should be. It isn't. It's for creating productive drones, but it's not even very good at that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It should be. It isn't. It's for creating productive drones, but it's not even very good at that

Amen to that!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It should be. It isn't. It's for creating productive drones, but it's not even very good at that

Maybe in bad schools, I feel for anyone who had to go to one.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Maybe in bad schools, I feel for anyone who had to go to one.

Nah, I went to a school that was (at the time) a top-10 state school in the country. My 6 year old goes to the best (by a mile) state primary school in the county.

They like to dress it up in frills and distractions to make it seem, on the surface, like it's about more than getting you out there as a productive proletarian... but fundamentally, that is the aim. Full stop. They want to "educate" you to meet your earning potential, be that builder or brain surgeon. Beyond that, they have absolutely zero interest in expanding your world-view or what you might do with the rest of your "non-work" life.

Let me be clear that this isn't true of all teachers - there are some wonderful teachers in our schools - but it is true of the system as a whole, it's built into the very foundations of it. Obedience and homogenisation. There's a reason that countless young teachers become quickly disillusioned and end up leaving the profession, even after spending years and thousands of pounds in training.