[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How can you say they are suiting their own agendas,as you pointed out they are NOT in the EU.
These Nations you accuse of giving the UK false and bad advice to remain in,are the very Nations the 'out' side would argue that the UK will have to try to deal with more if out.

If those Nations were expecting to do more trade directly with us if we left the EU,why on earth, if they were even in any way willing to accommodate that, would they be advising the UK to remain in.

That would make no sense whatsoever, well maybe I am thick, because it makes no sense to me at all.

eh? america want us in because as ive explained o you 101 times they want to carve up the EU for a corporate takeover
switzerland dont give a stuff if we are in or out as theyre doing fantastically and our fate is not their concern
the other voices are corporate leaders who have spent years aligned the eu for the worlds biggest ever corporate takeever

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

eh? america want us in because as ive explained o you 101 times they want to carve up the EU for a corporate takeover
switzerland dont give a stuff if we are in or out as theyre doing fantastically and our fate is not their concern
the other voices are corporate leaders who have spent years aligned the eu for the worlds biggest ever corporate takeever

Switzerland is not in the EU but accepts the free movement of EU citizens.
I cannot get your point but the one thing I do know is not one of those Nations you mentioned have said the UK would be better out of the EU.

I doubt the EU would allow the USA to carve up anything,if the present EU Members, including us, have to battle hard to win every change, I cannot see anyone else really achieving that much outside the EU.
No matter how big or powerful they may be.

The argument from out has been the EU has become far too insular and even dismisses the concerns of its members,now you are saying they are going to completely cave in to the USA,yet it will need the agreement of 'all' members of the EU to even also allow that.

I just do not see that coming about at all,sorry.no way.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Switzerland is not in the EU but accepts the free movement of EU citizens.
I cannot get your point but the one thing I do know is not one of those Nations you mentioned have said the UK would be better out of the EU.

I doubt the EU would allow the USA to carve up anything,if the present EU Members, including us, have to battle hard to win every change, I cannot see anyone else really achieving that much outside the EU.
No matter how big or powerful they may be.

The argument from out has been the EU has become far too insular and even dismisses the concerns of its members,now you are saying they are going to completely cave in to the USA,yet it will need the agreement of 'all' members of the EU to even also allow that.

I just do not see that coming about at all,sorry.no way.

its already happening, have you actually studied the ttip or the mass of cross trade deals between the eu and the usa? the vast majority of which are their corporations taking over European companies , towns and cities and suing any government who stands in their way. I really suggest you read up on this urgently

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Switzerland is not in the EU but accepts the free movement of EU citizens.
I cannot get your point but the one thing I do know is not one of those Nations you mentioned have said the UK would be better out of the EU.

I doubt the EU would allow the USA to carve up anything,if the present EU Members, including us, have to battle hard to win every change, I cannot see anyone else really achieving that much outside the EU.
No matter how big or powerful they may be.

The argument from out has been the EU has become far too insular and even dismisses the concerns of its members,now you are saying they are going to completely cave in to the USA,yet it will need the agreement of 'all' members of the EU to even also allow that.

I just do not see that coming about at all,sorry.no way.

It is coming about and like TheTruth says, some of its already here. The Neo-liberals wouldn’t dare allow a British referendum on TTIP. Four years of hard work and secret negotiations with secret votes and the race to get this fast moving train finalized before Obama steps down in 2017. Other than a revolution, the British government will not be giving us the opportunity to stop this happening.

The EU have already agreed that it will change certain laws to accommodate American trade, in fact the EU appear all too eager to please the talking heads of Washington. We have agreed to relax our pesticide restrictions to allow American pesticides to be used across Europe. America still allows cancergenic chemicals and poisons that kill valuable wild life. We have agreed to relax our laws on lead being permitted in make-up and we have signed a deal saying we will abolish EU laws on the import of GM foods and growth hormone meats.

America has shown huge interest in buying up our public health and education and selling us the Americanized private model insurance package. The cost of medicines will rocket in price. The cost to our health doesn't even bare thinking about.

[DemolitionRed]

Another thing is, in the interests of transnational capital TTIP will see EU corporation law being thrown onto the bonfire. This is presently happening in Canada because they foolishly went into a trade deal (FIPA) with China. Its nothing like as big and complex as TTIP but merely one chapter out of the same book.

As for China and India supporting the idea that we should remain in the EU, China and India recognize that the spillover effect of TTIP will be of huge benefit to them because inevitably it will open up a back door for trade within the US which is financially problematic for developing countries. The spillover effect will also benefit Britain providing we are not trapped within the TTIP.