[arista]

Feck Me

Our PM should Fly out there and tell All Americans
to Vote For Trump.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Feck Me

Our PM should Fly out there and tell All Americans
to Vote For Trump.

Well said Arista - The USA has very strong ulterior motives for wanting us to remain in the fecked up EU.

[Kizzy]

Are we not going to mention the ulterior motives for wanting out?... Ok.

[Josy]

Has Obama not got a phone then

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Josy

Has Obama not got a phone then

Excellent point Josy.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Just as bad as the bank of England Canadian doing the same thing. Obama did it with Scottish Independence. Its the ruling classes telling the lumpen proletariat what do do

shameful

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just as bad as the bank of England Canadian doing the same thing. Obama did it with Scottish Independence. Its the ruling classes telling the lumpen proletariat what do do

shameful

It's a double shame, because it seems all the most vociferous self-proclaimed Left leaning members on here are supporting Cameron and The EU. Denmark is not the only state where something is rotten methinks.

Whoops - I've had a warning and infraction for feck all today - you don't think this comment will get me another do you?

[JoshBB]

He can have an opinion but I don't think it'll affect British public opinion much. Having said that, I do want to stay in.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

He can have an opinion but I don't think it'll affect British public opinion much. Having said that, I do want to stay in.

Good for you Josh - and welcome back.

Why don't you post your reasons for wanting to remain in the EU on the Referendum thread. I'd be really and genuinely interested in reading them.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Good for you Josh - and welcome back.

Why don't you post your reasons for wanting to remain in the EU on the Referendum thread. I'd be really and genuinely interested in reading them.

Sure thing and thanks for the welcome back

[lostalex]

yea, because Brits NEVER make their thoughts on American politics known... lol

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, because Brits NEVER make their thoughts on American politics known... lol

We have to, to keep our eye on you.

If we wasn't there to hold your hand, it'd be mayhem.

Brute needs brains behind it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

We should stay cause when ww3 breaks out because of Trump we'll need people on our side.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, because Brits NEVER make their thoughts on American politics known... lol

You know that I am pro-American Alex, but there are longstanding political reasons why the USA desires the UK to be in the EU.

This is very informative:

http://thebrexitdoor.com/2016/02/18/...icy-in-europe/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are we not going to mention the ulterior motives for wanting out?... Ok.

Now - with great respect, and out of genuine confusion - will you please explain just what you mean so that I can respond?

I stated that the USA had ulterior motives for wanting us in the EU (and its predecessors) because they have.

This might enlighten you:

http://thebrexitdoor.com/2016/02/18/...icy-in-europe/


But I do not know ANY possible ulterior motives that anyone could have for wanting a Brexit.

No one NEEDS an ulterior motive - there is a plethora of GENUINE reasons for wanting out.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

We should stay cause when ww3 breaks out because of Trump we'll need people on our side.

I'm sorry ITILY, but if WW3 did break out (GOD forbid) the main ally I want to see 'on our side' is the USA.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Now - with great respect, and out of genuine confusion - will you please explain just what you mean so that I can respond?

I stated that the USA had ulterior motives for wanting us in the EU (and its predecessors) because they have.

This might enlighten you:

http://thebrexitdoor.com/2016/02/18/...icy-in-europe/


But I do not know ANY possible ulterior motives that anyone could have for wanting a Brexit.

No one NEEDS an ulterior motive - there is a plethora of GENUINE reasons for wanting out.

What is this a blog?
This guy states the US bailed us out post war and that had we handed back our dependencies then it would've been better than attempting to maintain our colonial stranglehold.
During the cold war years the US were at war with Vietnam there is no mention of this, but may be a reason they required extra funds, or the space race..
It is odd that as is happening today under the tories money is siphoned off under the guise of 'technology' never to be seen again.

The section surrounding Polaris is patchy, if the US were so determined to get us into Europe then why risk irking De Gaulle?

In essence all I see here is the absence of Nixon ( naturally) and the perfect storm that is required when tory and republican forces collide.

As a side note it was interesting to see that France had issues with British agricultural policy way back...

DeGaulle, for his part, had the issue of Agriculture at the centre of his reasoning for denying British entry,

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by arista

Feck Me

Our PM should Fly out there and tell All Americans
to Vote For Trump.

I got a way to send him back - I am going to write him some beautiful poetry

[joeysteele]

I personally would prefer Obama to be neutral publicly on this,naturally make his views known to the PM of course.
I also doubt that is all he is coming over for too.

Then again as Lostalex says,we get into USA issues and elections too.I dislike Trump but we have had people here calling for him to be banned from Britain.

Having said that, Obama knows we have USA companies in the UK wo in part are here for the full access they can get to the EU too.
So if such companies have suggested they prefer the UK staying in,then their President should be able to express his view.
After all the Indian PM inferred he wanted the UK to stay in the EU too as I believe maybe China has too.

For me personally,I am just glad he is another voice advocating remaining in.
I doubt his views however will change how people think on either side anyway as to their own intentions.

[bitontheslide]

I would prefer Obama keep his nose out of our affairs personally. He is trying to make his presidency have some value in its last months it seems. He has already been critical of France and the UK's handling of Libya when he refused to get involved at the time, and also critical of our slowness in Syria, when it was the will of the British parliament that we not get involved sooner. There is clearly no loved lost between him and Cameron, so he can't be sticking his oar in as a personal favour in support of Cameron, its purely to try and make himself relevant when his term is all but done.

[MTVN]

Should we not be interested in the opinion of our closest ally? We don't live in a bubble, this decision does not affect us only

[Kizzy]

Who actually wants us out, in terms of world leaders?

[Alf]

Isn't this the guy who couldn't be bothered to turn up for the Paris march after Charlie Hebdo?

There must be something in it for him this time, probably a plate of dinner at the Palace and the ass-licking hospitality that Cameron will give him.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who actually wants us out, in terms of world leaders?

No one, and its interesting that the Leavers go on about how the EU prevents us doing more business with India and China yet both of their leaders want us to stay in

[Black Dagger]

Oh he's finally said something worthwile