[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Obama's quite popular outside of the US, actually.

He used to be, he lost millions of friends yesterday, what he said was horrific

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

He used to be, he lost millions of friends yesterday, what he said was horrific

I don't blame him, we need to take a tough stance against the worrying amount of fools who want to leave EU because of 'immigrants, innit'.

We'll sink without the EU.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't blame him, we need to take a tough stance against the worrying amount of fools who want to leave EU because of 'immigrants, innit'.

We'll sink without the EU.

We will Sink with it
Dezzy

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

We will Sink with it
Dezzy

Except that we'll be in a worse position without the EU, people only want to leave it because they want to blame immigrants for their problems. We'll be worse off if we go it alone.

Leaving the Eu would be a reactionary and stupidly shortsighted move. We rely on the EU market, it's dumb to leave when we won't have the support of our allies.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except that we'll be in a worse position without the EU, people only want to leave it because they want to blame immigrants for their problems. We'll be worse off if we go it alone.

Leaving the Eu would be a reactionary and stupidly shortsighted move. We rely on the EU market, it's dumb to leave when we won't have the support of our allies.

They will adjust.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

They will adjust.

Why? They don't need us. We need them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why? They don't need us. We need them.

Thats just not true
Spain exports Veg to us
its the big income

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why? They don't need us. We need them.

Can you qualify this claim Dezzy with FACTS and STATISTICS? because I am willing to do a U turn and support the 'REMAIN' campaign if just ONE 'Remain' supporter on here can show me with corroborating evidence that the EU has been beneficial for the UK, is being beneficial for the UK, and will be beneficial to the UK.

I have seen great pages of rambling rhetoric from 'EU-Remain' advocates which says NOTHING and is just regurgitated spin from Tory Boy Cameron and his 'Personal Vested Interest' club.

A case of those fooled trying to convince those who are NOT fooled to join them really.

[DemolitionRed]

The TTIP is being created by people with a purpose and it’s a purpose which will hugely benefit the rich corporate fat cats who couldn’t give a siht about democracy and the damage these treaties will do to it. I’ve spent weeks reading as much information as I can get my hands on about these treaties (which I naively believed to be just some big trade deal) how its structured, how they don’t have to wait for the full ratification process to be completed before its implementation; what it will achieve and how it will re-mould our country to look more and more like America. I’ve read the good with the bad, the benefits, the hurdles and the undoubtable truths that these treaties are the end game of neo-liberalism. This is what it was all about, this is the cherry on the cake and I’ve never been so scared in my life.

Obamas dogmatic doctrine may convince a few because to some extent, Obama is looked upon as the ‘ruler of the world’ the ‘high priest’ if you like. I myself, right up until very recently, greatly admired his leadership but now I see him for what he is, just like Cameron, he’s another talking head that paves the way for transnational corporations and survival of the fittest at his citizens expense.

We can sit back and wait for the 11th hour in Westminster or we can get constructive by signing petitions, making ourselves more informed and raising awareness with others or even joining the protest groups. If I’m not part of the solution then I’m part of the problem; if too many of us are complacent then we must accept when the battle is lost.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

We will Sink with it
Dezzy

We have been it from the start and haven't sunk, in fact far from it, we have prospered in the main and remained a successful Nation too.