[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Not all. As I said, there are nomination votes. Gordon choosing who goes is just another difference in how they leave. That's my point, just saying "they nominate and get evicted but just in a different way" doesn't mean anything really.



A comment that insulted a whole group of people for how they make a living, people exaggerate how unfair the reaction to that was.

And I'm not sure of what point you're making. Are you saying the US format is immune to unjust evictions? Because I'd beg to differ there.



Yes, BBUK is crap right now. They should fix that and return it to what people loved about it in the first place, I don't see the need to change it even more.

And they get information from the outside in BBUS too.

But we're not going to agree so we'll just have to wait and see.

1.I've seen Gordan change things around and Hells Kitchen is not an social experiment which Big Brother is. So as I said it's a different type of show.

2.Clearly she didn't mean any harm and it's still not a reason to be evicted.. If someone was having a bad day and they called someone a **** they would get nominated and evicted over someone like Pav who offers nothing and is a pathetic excuse of a housemate. BB15.. Toya was evicted over Marlon and Ash because of her edit that week. Toya was a better housemate than those bores who did nothing but suck Helen's bum hole.

3. The don't get outside info much compared to BBUK which is against what they show is all about like celebs vs civilian is against what Cilvs bb is all about so theres' 0 point of having that format when we already have cbb in the winter and summer.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Considering you usually agree with my line of argument and favourites during on-season that's a little contradictory

I'm not about to get into this whole argument before BBUK has even begun because I'll have enough of it in the summer but yes they do. And yes people under our format are rewarded for saying nothing, being a man and being attractive, I don't see how that can be disputed? Just look at the stats and it tells you the story. It's counter-productive and based on no merit whatsoever, if you float through and never say a word and be a man you're either gonna make the final or win, at least in the US and Canada you earn your place and aren't just given it

That might be the case but that's how the british public likes it. If you change the show format and fill it with people the public are normally gunning to get out do you think it's gonna go down well? Plus the fact of there been no voting means people wont feel the need to watch live.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I loved the start of BB13 so I'd rather a series of it than a load of celebs being the centre of attention

This is another reason why I would prefer the BBUSA because the celebs will get most of the air time and will be centre of attention and what do you know we have another Celebrity Big Brother on our hands.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

That might be the case but that's how the british public likes it. If you change the show format and fill it with people the public are normally gunning to get out do you think it's gonna go down well? Plus the fact of there been no voting means people wont feel the need to watch live.

Getting rid of the public vote doesn't automatically mean that housemates viewers dislike are going to succeed, I mean if anything if you act up and be a twat you're asking to get put on the block by an HoH and then voted out anyway

Plus I'd argue that such housemates sticking around (if they even did) doesn't mean the public will ditch the show, I mean my argument usually is that we need to keep them for the benefit of the series, people love to hate housemates and ones that inspire hatred keep people talking about the show and actively rooting against them, that's better than a bunch of characters people are indifferent towards and don't care about. I often feel like I care more when I watch BBUS or Can, whether I'm rooting for or against someone. Like, BB15 US for all its racism and controversy was if nothing else gripping because you were longing for people to fail and get evicted, that kind of sentiment doesn't occur in the UK because it normally just happens anyway, it's too easy to succeed/fail

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LukeB

1.I've seen Gordan change things around and Hells Kitchen is not an social experiment which Big Brother is. So as I said it's a different type of show.

You're missing my point that simply having nominations and eliminations as part of the basic format (the two elements you cited as reasons for BBUS staying true to the general format of Big Brother, which is the whole reason I made this comparison) doesn't really mean anything, but anyway we're going round in circles now.

Originally Posted by LukeB

2.Clearly she didn't mean any harm and it's still not a reason to be evicted.. If someone was having a bad day and they called someone a **** they would get nominated and evicted over someone like Pav who offers nothing and is a pathetic excuse of a housemate. BB15.. Toya was evicted over Marlon and Ash because of her edit that week. Toya was a better housemate than those bores who did nothing but suck Helen's bum hole.

Not really for you to say though. There would have been plenty of people who work hard to make ends meet who would have been understandably offended by what Zoe said. It's no one else's fault she decided to unfairly stereotype a whole category of people.

And you haven't responded to my question about BBUS' evictions. Can you really say you think most of them have been completely deserved?

Originally Posted by LukeB

3. The don't get outside info much compared to BBUK which is against what they show is all about like celebs vs civilian is against what Cilvs bb is all about so theres' 0 point of having that format when we already have cbb in the winter and summer.

But they get it, which is my point. Like Kathy Griffin going in during BB16 and basically just reeling off her opinions to them all.

And yes, I agree there's no point in combining CBB with civilian BB when we already have a separate currently airing show for that. A bit like the argument for not adopting the BBUS format.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Not really for you to say though. There would have been plenty of people who work hard to make ends meet who would have been understandably offended by what Zoe said. It's no one else's fault she decided to unfairly stereotype a whole category of people.

And you haven't responded to my question about BBUS' evictions. Can you really say you think most of them have been completely deserved?

What do you mean by deserved since personal issues are not the reason why they are evicted? Aaryn Gries was a racist but she got evicted because she is a comp threat and an actual threat for their game. So if it helped their game then yes each eviction was deserved.

Originally Posted by Lostie!

But they get it, which is my point. Like Kathy Griffin going in during BB16 and basically just reeling off her opinions to them all.

And yes, I agree there's no point in combining CBB with civilian BB when we already have a separate currently airing show for that. A bit like the argument for not adopting the BBUS format

Was it really her opinion though? she went in to slate everyone trying to be funny because they had to do a comp to fix Zingbot who was being nice when he normally says negative things about each and one of them which is what Kathy did

[Jack_]

Most evictions under the US format are deserved. Sure, there's always twists and they'll negatively affect someone or there'll be a bit of Grodner's rigging, but for the most part if you're evicted under that system it's because you haven't played well enough and it's your own fault. That is far fairer than being evicted cause you're unlucky enough to be a woman or dare to speak in a series. It's also easier to stomach personally, if my favourite fails in BBUS or BBCanada I know they only have themselves to blame, but in BBUK it's usually because the public are just clueless and/or sexist, that's just irritating

I also don't think they get much outside contact in BBUS, the jury house exists for that very reason. Other than a weekly letter for the HoH and maybe a comp hosted by a celeb or alumni, it's a damn sight more protected than BBUK is

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Most evictions under the US format are deserved. Sure, there's always twists and they'll negatively affect someone or there'll be a bit of Grodner's rigging, but for the most part if you're evicted under that system it's because you haven't played well enough and it's your own fault. That is far fairer than being evicted cause you're unlucky enough to be a woman or dare to speak in a series. It's also easier to stomach personally, if my favourite fails in BBUS or BBCanada I know they only have themselves to blame, but in BBUK it's usually because the public are just clueless and/or sexist, that's just irritating

I also don't think they get much outside contact in BBUS, the jury house exists for that very reason. Other than a weekly letter for the HoH and maybe a comp hosted by a celeb or alumni, it's a damn sight more protected than BBUK is

Another reason why the public should get their voting powers taken away.

If you're a white male/white female then it's a walk in a park but if you're a POC woman then it's a different story, All it takes is for them to be loud for 1 second then boom they get evicted and they go out to the chavs shouting OFF OFF OFF who are ya..

[Tregard]

For what it's worth, I would love to see the UK at least try out the North American format. They would be fighting an uphill battle of trying to convince people who currently dislike the show it's a different show, whilst also trying to keep hold of those who watch the show as is (probably couldn't pull that off), but there are definite benefits to the US format.

For one, you'd be a lot more likely to get smarter, more interesting players for a US format after it was established than the crop we're used to. The last few years have been rife with people there to play up to the cameras, develop a TV career etc. Just the most bland lowest-common-denominator swill that turns the entire show into a media circus, leading to a vicious cycle of getting more and more extreme "says it like it is me" personalities (See: Helen). BBUS format could, on the one hand, lead to a group of cold, strategic people sitting in a house quietly plotting against one another, but with proper casting, treating Big Brother like a gameshow again would provide us with fun contestants instead of attention seeking media trainees.

I get that people have problems with a pure US format, I don't think it would fly very well if it was a complete immediate switch. What I think would work better is if they took some elements of it whilst retaining the important parts of the UK show (i.e. The Phone Vote). Previous attempts such as BB11's Save & Replace, BB9's Head of House and BB15's baffling housemate-chosen evictions were all completely the wrong way about it. The new series could have HOH tasks, allowing the HOH to choose 3 HMs for eviction. POV would be able to switch one out, and there would be a HM vote save one of those 3 after POV, leaving the public to vote to evict between the two remaining.

That's just one route they could take (admittedly, one which would lead to quite a messy conclusion in Final 4), the UK version needs some *consistent* shake-ups and BBUS is a framework that's proven to work.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Tregard

For what it's worth, I would love to see the UK at least try out the North American format. They would be fighting an uphill battle of trying to convince people who currently dislike the show it's a different show, whilst also trying to keep hold of those who watch the show as is (probably couldn't pull that off), but there are definite benefits to the US format.

For one, you'd be a lot more likely to get smarter, more interesting players for a US format after it was established than the crop we're used to. The last few years have been rife with people there to play up to the cameras, develop a TV career etc. Just the most bland lowest-common-denominator swill that turns the entire show into a media circus, leading to a vicious cycle of getting more and more extreme "says it like it is me" personalities (See: Helen). BBUS format could, on the one hand, lead to a group of cold, strategic people sitting in a house quietly plotting against one another, but with proper casting, treating Big Brother like a gameshow again would provide us with fun contestants instead of attention seeking media trainees.

I get that people have problems with a pure US format, I don't think it would fly very well if it was a complete immediate switch. What I think would work better is if they took some elements of it whilst retaining the important parts of the UK show (i.e. The Phone Vote). Previous attempts such as BB11's Save & Replace, BB9's Head of House and BB15's baffling housemate-chosen evictions were all completely the wrong way about it. The new series could have HOH tasks, allowing the HOH to choose 3 HMs for eviction. POV would be able to switch one out, and there would be a HM vote save one of those 3 after POV, leaving the public to vote to evict between the two remaining.

That's just one route they could take (admittedly, one which would lead to quite a messy conclusion in Final 4), the UK version needs some *consistent* shake-ups and BBUS is a framework that's proven to work.

This is a good post but there's still no point adopting the US format if you're going to let the public have overall control over who's evicted still, it undoes everything else and cancels it out, making the whole thing pointless.

You're on the right lines in terms of a compromise. Let the HoH nom three people, play for Veto as normal, then have the public SAVE one nominee (that's crucial) and let the housemates vote between the remaining two. It still gives the public some control that way and actually adds a new dynamic to the game rather than removing it completely if you still let the public decide who leaves

Give the UK a jury vote and you're all sorted

[Tregard]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This is a good post but there's still no point adopting the US format if you're going to let the public have overall control over who's evicted still, it undoes everything else and cancels it out, making the whole thing pointless.

You're on the right lines in terms of a compromise. Let the HoH nom three people, play for Veto as normal, then have the public SAVE one nominee (that's crucial) and let the housemates vote between the remaining two. It still gives the public some control that way and actually adds a new dynamic to the game rather than removing it completely if you still let the public decide who leaves

Give the UK a jury vote and you're all sorted

As someone who infinitely prefers VTS, this sounds perfect

[Natalie.]

BBUS I guess but neither really

I don't think BBUS would work too well here but I hate the thought of celebs

[VanessaFeltz.]

bb11's save&replace task was decent

[Cal.]

Celebrity vs Civilian as at least it would still be BBUK

There is already TWO BBUS English speaking formats running - why do people so desperately want a third?

[Marsh.]

I'd choose the show being axed tbh.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Celebrity vs Civilian as at least it would still be BBUK

There is already TWO BBUS English speaking formats running - why do people so desperately want a third?

but isn't that like saying there is already two CBBs every year why the need for 3 CBBs? because Celeb vs Cilv will be turned into CBB because the celebs will get most of the air time and will be the centre of attention so it really won't be civilian.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Celebrity vs Civilian as at least it would still be BBUK

There is already TWO BBUS English speaking formats running - why do people so desperately want a third?

WHy do people keep saying this? Some people just do have a preference, the number of versions that exist under that format is irrel.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by TomC

WHy do people keep saying this? Some people just do have a preference, the number of versions that exist under that format is irrel.

Well it kind of is because it tends to be people who watch those other versions. I can't imagine why people would want to watch three versions of the same format.

One of the appeals of watching other versions is to enjoy the differences. If they were all the same it wouldn't be like that.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well it kind of is because it tends to be people who watch those other versions. I can't imagine why people would want to watch three versions of the same format.

One of the appeals of watching other versions is to enjoy the differences. If they were all the same it wouldn't be like that.

I think the people who actually do watch the other versions are the ones to judge this.

[Ross.]

I watch all 3 and I don't want a BBUS format here

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by TomC

WHy do people keep saying this? Some people just do have a preference, the number of versions that exist under that format is irrel.

Because it's a valid point. If you prefer that format then stick to those shows, we don't need the roots of our BB changing.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Because it's a valid point. If you prefer that format then stick to those shows, we don't need the roots of our BB changing.

It's not, it's not for people who don't even watch BBCAN to tell me I shouldn't want three BBUS-style formats.

[LukeB]

If they do Celeb vs Civilian Format then i won't be watching it because the show is focusing on celebrities and C5 are obsessed with celebrities that they have two CBBs a year and they are thinking about turning Civilian into another CBB. CBB is a spin off show and shouldn't be made into a main show. I rather them keep the civilian and celebrities separate which was the whole point in having Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother. So give me USA/Australia/Canada format if it means keeping Civilian as it is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by TomC

It's not, it's not for people who don't even watch BBCAN to tell me I shouldn't want three BBUS-style formats.

But why would you want to?

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But why would you want to?

Because I genuinely think I prefer the US format, and want to see it in the UK. I don't even watch BBUS.