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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

One thing I don't see from any of the pro-EUers is disgust with the gravy-train in Brussels. Are there any Remainers who have the guts to at least admit how disgusting the whole system is?

Of course it's disgusting, it's a hive of politics. The whole damn world is slick with filth and utterly foul to the core. Do you imagine people see it as a gleaming beacon of light and justice? No such thing exists. The ONLY thing that matters is ensuring that normal people can live good individual lives. Brexit is going to be economically disastrous for this country and normal people are going to suffer. Is that worth some ideological crusade to "stick it to the bureaocrats"? When they are all so personally rich that they don't actually give a **** anyway? I mean really. People "laughing" and "jeering" at "poor old David Cameron" having to step down as PM. Embarrassment? Sure. Now the poor sod has to go off and live his life however he wants, wherever he wants, because he is a millionaire. Boo hoo! You can't "stick it to them". It is a game to them. It doesn't really matter on ANY individual level to them. They will not personally suffer, beyond their egos. Normal people will.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I cannot answer that Kizzy - it needs many calculations to be carried out - but I do agree that THEY ARE ALL LIARS, but it is up to us to END this style of non-Government NOW.

The ENTIRE 'AUSTERITY' measures have been a dupe - there is ENOUGH money collected from our over-taxed hard-pressed people, it just NEEDS US TO ENSURE THAT IT IS SPENT PROPERLY ON WHAT IT SHOULD BE - US.

But we WON'T Kirk. This is exactly what terrifies me; that all the hopes and reassurances of those who voted for this, and can see it all coming good, hinge on us now being out and getting some sort of "better, fairer, for the people" government into place. It's pie in the sky idealism! It WON'T ****ing happen! You're stripping away a massive safety net not on the basis that we can actually do OK --as we are right now-- out of Europe, but that there will also be some sort of huge political revolution that sees us vote normal, caring, benevolent people into Westminster??? An absolutely massive and unrealistic caveat??

We will continue to be ****ed in the arse by these same people, from these same families and same schools, who care nothing for the wellbeing of the individual.

We WON'T end this style of government.

We WON'T be able to ensure that the money is spent properly.

We WILL be at the mercy of rampant capitalists who will strip us for every penny and then work us yet harder.