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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

With respect Joey - In the time that I have been a forum member, I have seen you crusading for many causes and railing against others, but DEMOCRACY and Scotland being part of the United Kingdom, has not been one of them - until the result of the DEMOCRATIC result of the 'UK EU Referendum' went against your personal preferrance.

As BOTS rightly says - Scotland voted to remain in the UK and all this bally-hoo now is laughable.

Wasn't it the United Kingdom and not Scotland who was accepted into the EU by the EU? and did not Scotland ENTER the EU as PART of The United Kingdom, and not in her own right as a Country?

Then it is only right and fitting that Scotland leave the EU as part of The United Kingdom'.

Bleating now about 'Election' being 'Undemocratic' because.... is just ludicrous and tiresome.

The UK has a job to do now that we are finally free of the corrupt failed and failing EU, and this complaining is draining and deflective.

If Scotland REALLY do want to leave the UK, then let them hold a referendum, and if the result is to part from us, then they should be allowed to part.

If Scotland then want to join the EU, then that is a matter for Sturgeon and Salmond and any other 'fishy sounding' Scottish politicians.

Our Democracy is not perfect, but there is nothing better to replace it, and every free country in the world has followed our lead.

The Scottish referendum result was a sham and truly undemocratic - it was swung entirely based on what have conclusively been proven to be outright lies. The whole thing is foul.

And this is not based on me wanting to force any change its purely an account of what DID happen. I at this point happen to agree that Scottish independence hopes are currently dead in the water and it would be a major mistake to pursue independence with Europe as it currently is. For better or worse, we're with the UK going forward and need to make the best of that. I personally would not pursue Scottish independence again, UNLESS the EU dissolves entirely, at which point it would be worth looking at again. So very unlikely to be in my lifetime, I've come to accept.

That said, I do think Scotland should be heavily pursuing devo-max controls over taxation and spending.