[Shaun]

guys jack has defined what entertainment is and we can't question it just move on ok

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shaun

guys jack has defined what entertainment is and we can't question it just move on ok

Correct

No seriously this is such a silly argument, like who you want but I'm entitled to criticise it. It's no different from others saying someone like Lateysha is underrated, they clearly think she deserves more fans cause she's a good housemate - or are they not allowed to say that cause then they'd be defining what entertainment is?

Take it to its logical conclusion and you may as well close the forum down if no one can question a housemate's popularity

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Correct

No seriously this is such a silly argument, like who you want but I'm entitled to criticise it. It's no different from others saying someone like Lateysha is underrated, they clearly think she deserves more fans cause she's a good housemate - or are they not allowed to say that cause then they'd be defining what entertainment is?

Take it to its logical conclusion and you may as well close the forum down if no one can question a housemate's popularity

None of us care if you criticise our opinion, we just don't like how you pretty much regard our opinion as invalid/less important because it doesn't match the criteria you use to determine your favourites

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Hayden

None of us care if you criticise our opinion, we just don't like how you pretty much regard our opinion as invalid/less important because it doesn't match the criteria you use to determine your favourites

Then you take my posts far too seriously I'm of the opinion that supporting housemates who aren't contributing to the series is detrimental to the show and without wanting to start a debate on that for the millionth time that's been my opinion year in, year out for the entirety of my time on this forum because I'm consistent

No one has to agree with that but I'm perfectly entitled to criticise people when they do not because I personally believe it has a negative effect on the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of. Again, you do not have to listen or care (and quite frankly I'm not sure why you would, I'm just some text on a screen) but I'm allowed to say so since that's the point of a forum, or else those who say x is underrated or y is a crap housemate are also defining what entertainment is and shouldn't be allowed to post that either

I know it's cause I'm in the minority these days and so it's easy to direct the criticism at me but I'm using the forum for what it's for so

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Hayden

None of us care if you criticise our opinion, we just don't like how you pretty much regard our opinion as invalid/less important because it doesn't match the criteria you use to determine your favourites

Jack uses the logic that thhe biggest/loudest **** / takes up most the airtime is the best housemate. And I get it tbf, I can see why that makes sense to him. I just dont get why he doesnt understand that others dont like to watch it that way..

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Jack uses the logic that thhe biggest/loudest **** / takes up most the airtime is the best housemate. And I get it tbf, I can see why that makes sense to him. I just dont get why he doesnt understand that others dont like to watch it that way..

I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around (I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around m(I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum

I agree with that

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around (I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum

I dont think its detrimental at all, the show has improved week on week for me as the biggest twat left each time. Emma was great fun to watch, fun in the conventional sense, not fun as in shouts a lot and pisses housemates off. she'll be much more missed than Marco/Natalie/Georgina for that reason.

A lot of your posts have an undertone of 'my favourite is better than your facourite cus my favourite is louder and takes up more airtime' but nah, if the airtime somebody takes up pisses me off, that would make them a bad housemate, not a good one.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont think its detrimental at all, the show has improved week on week for me as the biggest twat left each time. Emma was great fun to watch, fun in the conventional sense, not fun as in shouts a lot and pisses housemates off. she'll be much more missed than Marco/Natalie/Georgina for that reason.

A lot of your posts have an undertone of 'my favourite is better than your facourite cus my favourite is louder and takes up more airtime' but nah, if the airtime somebody takes up pisses me off, that would make them a bad housemate, not a good one.

Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it

Don't equate loud with good cause that's one of my pet hates, I have plenty of favourites who are the opposite of loud but of course I think my favourites are better, they're my damn favourites! What you and most viewers do though is think about what is best for your personal enjoyment of the show rather than what is best for the collective, and that's fine and a common 'obvious' way to think but it's also counterproductive to the success of a show you're claiming to be a fan of. A housemate may be annoying you, but is is far better that people have opinions on them and are talking about them than not!